What are some differences in fighting strategy between Wing Chun and Hung Gar?
Does anyone have any strategies for a Hung Gar practitioner fighting a Wing Chun student?
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Hi, sounds like your asking how to beat WC. Fair enough question, but I’d suggest if you fighting against a WC practionaire (spelling?) you should look for holes in the persons defenses as apposed to looking for holes in the system. ( if that makes sense).
Some very general stuff to think about.
WC will look for the shortest route to attack (watch the leading arm and leg).
Hope that helps.
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ya know, for every good technique u can find at least one good counter, so it would truly be pointless to say what techniques “beat” WC, but rather, mtod1 said, look for a weakness in ur opponents defense. it takes much experience to be able to recognize this kinda stuff while in the midst of “combat”. only advice i can offer from experience is hold ur ground and don’t retreat(cuz they WILL follow if they’re any good). i think w/ HG, overwhelmin the opponent w/ fierce rapid attacks is the name of the game(NOONE is so good that they can jus block ALL ur techniques). so jus remember that. and a HK WC master once told me,“if u can get a hold of them, don’t let go and beat the HELL outa them!” u can’t be scared to get hit back cuz chances r it may happen, jus as long as u don’t take a hard strike to anywhere crucial, u’ll likely be able to dismiss it as u continue to attack until they’re on the ground. at least, this is one way a fighter may handle it, from my experience.
p.s. ask ur sifu about “butterfly palms”…
how to beat me
Overhead strikes and try to outflank me.
i have never seen proper wing chun, but against the crappy guys i have seen i’d try and crash through their defence with a series of hard circular punches. try and choke off their blocks before they can get leverage on you. i’d watch out for those punches though because even the worst wing chun guys can punch pretty fast.
It’s hard to say-I’ve studied under guys who studied both arts, and there were always drills that overlapped. Also-the arts are brother/sister arts anyway-meaning they both have common origins and share certain techniques-depending of course on the instructor’s interpetation of techniques-not going into that now.
Alan Lee, WC Sifu extraordinaire, always showed me Hung-Ga techniques.,(he studied with some old Hung-Ga guy when he was younger, someone pretty high up in the lineage, like Lam Sai-Wing’s si-Hing, or something) and teaches sow=choy, and cup-choy, and how to defend against them, like, “This is what Choy Li Fut guys like to do” then, 'This is what you do" This is the attitude of a true teacher-meaning, he does not want his students to have tunnel vision, and be prepared to fight any type of opponent, not just another WC guy. Remember, styles like Wing Chun, Hung-Ga,Choy Li Fut, etc, were developed and refined to fight Ching soldiers, and Ching Officials. Ching Officials passed the civil examinations, which included, not only literary studies, but horsemanship, archery, and martial arts competition against many fighters. In other words, these arts were developed to fight highly skilled, multiple opponents, and that attitude should still be held when studying today. Today, we face people who are trained in Muay Thai, Grappling, Gung-Fu,etc. Too many schools only play WC against themselves and are not giving their students a fighting chance. I hate to say it, but WC in NY, used to have a bad rep.(no, I’m not going to mention any names, and I’m not trying to stir up political bull***) But today, there are some teachers out there who are teaching very aggressive, combative Wing Chun. Thank God! (kin I get an amen on that? Halleleuya! Praise JesUS! Yea-us!-Spoeuyfjnrhtudfhjskfjg89uye!!! um..oops, kinda got caught up in that, dang, I was even posting in tongues! (ya, know, maybe it’s my A.D.D. , but I just can’t seem to be serious for too long, I just freak out!)
Ok, I feel better now…the ritalin’s kickin in…for Hung-Ga fighting WC guys, Hung-Ga would probably crash in with kwa/cup, and element punches, BUT…a good WC guy would intercept with biu-sao, so stalemate. Chain punches if not thrown from inside his horse can be overcome with sow choy, but “if inside your horse-you can’t stop me” -Duncan Leong, ..so stalemate again. Bottom line-it’s really the fighter.
Wing Chun has one move that in my opinion is its weakness. They lift the elbow up to block, I believe it is called Bung Sao. If you can pin the elbow up, then the side will be exposed for attack.
One sure way to tell if the wing chun you see is any good.
Elbow lifts to form bong sao = bad wing chun.
Bong Sao formed by a spiral forward = good wing chun.
Bong Sao is far from a weakness if done correctly.
Anything done wrong is a weakness.
Also bong sao is not a block.
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i think there’s a drug aderol that u may be able to try??? 
this is really one of those topics where someone’s boudn to step on someone’s toes(a repetitive one @ that).
one of the questions asked was,“What are some differences in fighting strategy between Wing Chun and Hung Gar?” well, since i study jow ga (combines HG w/ choy ga anad bak sil lum) i can give an idea. and tentigers, we used to share a school w/ sifu duncan leung(u wanna talk about a good fighter!!) he’s a very nice and generous man, jus so long as u don’t get on his hit list. he used to explain and demonstrate WC to me, so i speak from this knowledge.(he used to also study HG before WC.)
as opposed to a more “blitzkreig” type style like say CLF, the strength in both WC and HG are noted when an opponent attacks. its usually best to allow an opponent to attack as they must sacrifice some vulnerability in order to try to inflict damage to their opponents. typically, a WC stylist would in some way neutralize the attack and if so possible begin and continue a counter attack of their own(preferably to the center line of the front gate) until the opponent hits the ground or retreats enough that the “defender” is no longer in any immediate danger. typically, u might expect a seasoned HG practicioner to damage the limbs of an oncomin attacker to dissuade them from further attack, and this is if they’re bein nice. if they wanna get nasty(for real) rapid powerful strikes will take care of the opponent, like a ferocious tiger protectin young.
if bein attacked by WC, u can expect a barrage of kicks and punches comin straight on generally, but don’t retreat cuz they will simply continue to follow. always try to stay on their outer gate and this will give u a slight edge(any side steps should do). and like i said, if u get a hold of them, don’t let go, beat them hell outa them!(c/o sifu duncan). duncan once showed me a good technique for incomin attackers, but its a lil hard to explain properly in words(right now). last time i talked w/ him, he said he was trainin a team in china for the govt to go fight thai boxers in thailand. yes, tentigers, his style is very aggressive and he has some good fighters he’s taught over the years. he said everything that what yip man taught him was what suited him, and his reputation is a good indicator of that. good luck, chuan fa.