Dude, what’s up with dropping your instructor?
I thougt you two were pretty tight?
You were practicing Hung Gar, right?
In the vein that it’s stupid hard to find a good teacher, tell us why you and he split up, if you don’t mind.
Come on, the board has been dead for days and we need a new story.
JWT
He told his story on some random wushuchic thread.
Id like to just know more in general about Huang Kai Vun.
D@mnit, which one?
JWT
“You know your kungfu sucks if” your KFO handle is wushu chic.
Sounds like a really bad situation anyway, should I get on my rant about challenges again?! to weed out all the MA posers and wannabes, and leeches!!!
In the WC family we have a popular Sifu who likes to befriend and then disown his closest students for no reall apparent reason. My thinking is fear that there students will suppass them…
Thanks for asking, Jon Wayne Taylor.
I am not a Hung Ga stylist, though I’ve dabbled in that art and many others.
I was studying a powerful Northern Chinese kung fu style called “Seng Men” which is reknowned in China for its ferocity. My sifu found me on the Internet and invited me to see him.
For a half year, I would drive 3 hours every other week to see him at his home to train for HOURS. He had no school, but he took me in and treated me like a son. To me, that was a big deal because my parents have been warring with me ever since I dropped out of Western medical school.
Half a year is a short time only if one doesn’t practice hard. I devoted myself to the art despite juggling a Masters Degree program and a violin career, and I made tremendous progress. The art was very small, so I learned the basics very thoroughly.
As I stated in the other post, he then did something that he SHOULDN’T HAVE and sucked me into it. I tried my best to cover for him, but the cover was blown. Now he has renounced me as a student and will not take me back.
At least we still talk from time to time, as we share a common classical violin interest and he’s one of my biggest fans. To me, my sifu will always be my sifu and I have great respect and gratitude for all that he showed me.
It is the LAME kung fu stylist who wouldn’t find a way to succeed despite every imagineable setback.
My sifu told me after he dropped me that I had learned enough to go open my own school in that style. So in a way, I have his full approval to do so.
However, I steadfastly refused to do so because I felt that I’d be sullying the lineage that way. I learned quite a bit, but not enough to be considered a true “inheritor”. Besides, part of his reason for dropping me was because I was so hellbent on opening a school. My sifu felt that HIS sifu in China wouldn’t approve of me commercializing the style.
What’s interesting is that for months, I had been having strange dreams of doing “Seng Men” with all sorts of different moves that my sifu didn’t show me. I think what happened was that my mind was subconsciously stretching beyond the limits of what this style had to offer.
Ironically, my first martial instinct was not “Crap, my sifu dropped me!” It was “I’m FREE!”
So now I’ve made my OWN style.
It has no name, though one person said I should call it “Huang Style Kung Fu”. The Seng Men/Neijia influence is very strong, but it has several features that Seng Men didn’t have.
The biggest difference is that where Seng Men tried to keep itself confined to a few extremely effective moves in a standup position, my new style seeks to enable the practitioner to be able to fight from any position using anything in the environment. One of my moves is “Chair”, which features two different ways of getting in, out, and behind a chair smoothly.
My style is a multipurpose style not strictly for fighting. For example, a basketball player would benefit from the forward and reverse Bagua-like circle walking. Or a 90-year old lady could do my “Hand” set because the movements all are basic reflexive motions. And of course, a young whippersnapper like me would be hopefully be able to fight in a natural way using this technique.
Right now, I feel no need to go seek out another sifu. My inner voice is dictating exactly where I feel I need to go, and I’m obeying it. The result is that I have 2 sets (“Hands” and “Steps”) already completely made and one more (“Objects”, which teaches the combative use of cups, books, pens, clothing, etc. . . ) under construction.
Oh yeah.
My sifu is not a guy who people should challenge.
He’s quick to fight and quick to strike, having fought several times against multiple opponents. HIS sifu is even tougher, being known in Henan as a well known traditional fighter.
The first time we touched hands, he bulldozed me so badly that I had a bruise on my forearm for weeks. It took me MONTHS before I could even resist him, though I was doing so readily at the end.
My new style was coined in a large part to exploit Seng Men’s weaknesses, but my sifu would always give me a really tough time in combat no matter how good I got.
Is this a wind up?
Sounds like you atleast recovered well, adn are doing what you want. No disrespect to your Sifus skills HKV, in this case it sounds as if the guy knows his stuff, but he just did something he shouldnt have and dragged you into it, iresponsible to say the least, especially from someone who wishes to be called Sifu.
I have been known to rant here and again about all of the chop suey kung fu out there, “instructors”, and I use the term loosely, who claim to know things they do not, or teach things they shouldnt.
In this case it sounds like your Sifu had a great oppurtunity to pass on some knowledge and chose to soil it.
OK…small, possibly silly question here.
Kuang Kai Vun, are you the same fellow that USED to post here with a very similar (I think ending with vin though) name? Or are you brand new to this forum? Not that there’s anything wrong with being new, but if you weren’t a member previously folks might be mixing you up with someone else.
Thanks.
I am exactly the same guy - even same spelling of name.
I deregistered for a while because of the inane warring on the Southern forum. I got so sick and tired of that flaming that I just up and left. But Administration has cleaned this place up, I’m happy to say.
Then my sifu dumped me, and I had to reconfigure my life.
Now you are seeing the latest incarnation of me.
Huang- Thats pretty harsh man, especially if you were a Yup Sut. I dont see how he’d let a Yup Sut go so easily?
Peace 
I hear ya, Sharky. This has got to be a wind up.
Firstly, let’s clarify one point:
You said:
My sifu found me on the Internet and invited me to see him.
Please explain. You’re saying that your sifu was looking around for prospective students and found you? On the internet? And asked you to come to him? A three hour drive?
Originally posted by illusionfist
[B]Huang- Thats pretty harsh man, especially if you were a Yup Sut. I dont see how he’d let a Yup Sut go so easily?
Peace [/B]
Hey Fist, long time no read!
What’s Yup Sut?
Yut Sup would be One Ten in Cantonese, but I’m sure that’s not what you mean!
For a half year, I would drive 3 hours every other week to see him at his home to train for HOURS.
My sifu told me after he dropped me that I had learned enough to go open my own school in that style. So in a way, I have his full approval to do so.
That is improbable. But that’s just 'cause I said so.
Sorry to hear about your fall-out.
nospam.
Im pretty sure in context (ive heard a few different chinese names for this) it means ‘closed door student’.
I couldnt give you an exact translation but there are a few other chinese names for the same thing.
Bai See
Yut Mun
Yut Sut
Im pretty sure there all basicaly the same thing, although Bai See is akin to a linage holder as opposed to simply a closed door.
Bai see is the ceremony to become a closed door student.
But thanks, I guess that’s what Illusionfist meant.
My teacher told me that he had been searching for a worthy disciple for 20+ years and finally ended up with ME.
Once he started teaching me, he stopped looking. At least that’s what he said. I don’t think he’s taken another disciple - he’d have told me by now.
I only had one “classmate”: a 10 year old boy who didn’t seem that into the training at the time. This was the son of a friend.
I practiced hard enough that my teacher ordered me to “take it easy”. So devotion or even skill was not the issue.
One day, I’ll invite him to my school. If he wishes, he can even test my hands. I’ll treat him with all the respect and honor due a sifu, for I am not the type to hold grudges.
Now I understand perfectly the conversation between Bruce Lee and Yip Man:
Lee: Do you still consider me your student?
Yip: Do you still consider me your teacher?
You still didn’t really answer the question, Huang. You said he found you on the internet. How? How did he approach you? How did he know you were the one? Did he sense a disturbance in the Force?
Also, what happened that split you two up? What did he drag you into?
Also, how old are you? What sort of experience do you have in what arts?
The first paragraph I really want answers to.
The second paragraph would really help us understand what you’re trying to say.
The third paragraph is up to you to answer or not.
Before I reveal any more about myself, maybe I should ask you WHY you want to know these things, Serpent?
One must GIVE in order to RECEIVE.
What do you mean, why do I want to know? You brought it up! You started spinning this yarn all about how you’re the Chosen One and got discovered on the internet by some ferocious super sifu who doesn’t have a school.
It all sounds like a steaming pile of horsesh!t to me, the kind of story teenage martial arts wannabes daydream about.
Now, I’m not suggesting you’re a teenage MA wannabe, but at the moment that’s how the story sounds.
You started telling the tale. I’m just asking you to detail parts of it that seem to be missing.