front leg as a ‘lazy’ stop…like, when they are being lazier than I am 
back leg only when I think I made 'em think it was a high gate front kick then I switch to mid gate.
it’s also fun to side kick off the front legs to the ribs if you happen to have succesfully grabbed their lead hand and can pull them in to the kick.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1108261]Do you tend to use more snapping side kicks? I have had success with showing the sidekick from a side stance. Reason being is that I intend to deliver a crushing blow that hurts whether it is blocked or not.[/QUOTE]
No i subscribe to the Bas Rutten theory of fighting where every strike is a full out power shot.I Keep my power side forward and side kick with the lead leg only so i get the most out of the kick.
I always retracted my side kick back to chamber after contact. Not only does it lessen the chance of the leg being grabbed, but helps to keep you from getting turned around. It also focuses the power into the target far better than simply thrusting the leg out then dropping it straight down, as some people will do. Kind of a thrusting side kick with a snapping retraction.
During the time that I did Tang Soo Do/TKD, the ‘basic’ side kick was off the back leg, but I stopped doing that decades ago. I only do/did the side kick off the lead leg, catching someone as they came in, or sometimes the skipping-in method. Occasionally shuffle/fade back or off-angle and catch them coming in. I think of it kind of like a ‘foot punch’ when used as a stop-kick. I figured if I can make contact with a stop-kick, might as well put some jolt in it instead of only a push/block.
Since my injury I haven’t been able to practice my side kick (and round kick, etc., for that matter), but am planning to when(!!) my body recovers.
IMO, seemingly one of the LEAST useful kicks would be the “side snap kick” like in Shotokan forms, where the kicker puts the sole of his foot against his standing knee, then flicks his foot almost obliquely upwards/to the side and back. It doesn’t seem like a kick that would inflict much damage.
When your opponent applies side kick to you, that will be the best time for you to enter. As long as you can deflect the kick, you only have to worry about his leading arm since his back arm will be too far to reach you. If you can jam his leading arm, you will have a safe entry. This will not apply to the front kick or roundhouse kick situation because your opponet can still hit you with both hands.
I would agree. The side kick is a tool that’s good to have in your arsenal, but that’s best not to overuse for those exact reasons. But when you land it properly, it can be devastating.
I remember some guys back in the day like Joe Lewis who had scary side kicks. These days it seems comparatively few people develop it.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1108302]I always retracted my side kick back to chamber after contact. Not only does it lessen the chance of the leg being grabbed, but helps to keep you from getting turned around. It also focuses the power into the target far better than simply thrusting the leg out then dropping it straight down, as some people will do. Kind of a thrusting side kick with a snapping retraction.
IMO, seemingly one of the LEAST useful kicks would be the “side snap kick” like in Shotokan forms, where the kicker puts the sole of his foot against his standing knee, then flicks his foot almost obliquely upwards/to the side and back. It doesn’t seem like a kick that would inflict much damage.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know how to do multiple quotes, so I will answer both of those statements.
I also re-chamber my sidekick. I find that by not doing it, actually affects the trajectory and penetration of the kick. The fast retraction along the same line of the kick ensures that it tracks straight into the target, and adds that extra oomph at the end.
I practice kicking over a chair. It forces me to have a good, tight chamber.
This enables me to kick from a closer distance without the leg being jammed.
The “side snap kick” I see as really good for shins and knees. It’s very fast and has zero telegraphing of the upper body. That’s about all I use it for. Makes for a great set-up.
Also, someone mentioned grabbing the lead arm and pulling it into a sidekick to the ribs.
THAT was the first time I got my ribs broken. I was 17. I’ve been doing that kick and teaching it ever since.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1108329]I grabbing the lead arm and pulling it into a sidekick to the ribs.[/QUOTE]
After that kick, you can do a beautiful (Shuan) throw since your opponent’s arm is straight at that moment. A twist on his arm will make him to flip forward.
At 0.47, 0.52, and 0.57 (This move may not work in your nearest MMA gym - if I don’t say it, someone will).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5orlabCFE
I used to train my side kick by putting a concret block vertically on a table. If I can break that concret block instead of pushing it away, I may have developed some kicking power. The problem is it just cost too much (a concrete block used to cost $1.20 each).
i also sometimes when im alone i like to practice my side kick on a concrete wall, to feel the impact with no give at all. maybe that is just me but i felt it helped me to develop snap. i line my distance perfect with either pivot chamber, or step in chamber and when i would get the wall to slap loud every kick until i started to lose my slapping then i am done. i dont really do this anymore, but when i first started i did this with my side kick and my turn back kicks. probably horrible for my knees..but that is wha tyouth is for!!!
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1108340]After that kick, you can do a beautiful (Shuan) throw.
I used to train my side kick by putting a concret block vertically on a table. If I can break that concret block instead of pushing it away, I may have developed some kicking power. The problem is it just cost too much (a concrete block used to cost $1.20 each).[/QUOTE]
if you can do that kick then throw and pull it off the fight is pretty much over…
My TKD friend had help me a lot to refine my side kick. The longfist system has side kick. But the chamber part is not in enough detail. After I have learned to
my kick was much better since then. TKD had helped me on my side kick as much as MT had helped me on my roundhouse kick.
that’s pretty much the way I do a side kick as well. Like I said, I practice it over a chair. The closer I stand to the back of the chair, the more I have to lift my knee and lower leg. Great training, but a real pain to do well.
The throw you mentioned, is that a neck mopping throw? I can see that as being one possibility.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1108355]The throw you mentioned, is that a neck mopping throw? I can see that as being one possibility.[/QUOTE]
It’s not a neck mopping throw because if your side kick at your opponent’s chest, his arm that you are holding must be straight in order to give you enough distance for your kick, it will be too far for you to move your hand on the back of his neck.
The force is not to pull your opponent’s head down but to “pull and twist your opponent’s arm sideway and backward”. When you use your side kick to straight your opponent’s arm, both of your hands are holding your opponent’s right arm. If you step in your right leg (1st step) and then stealing step your left leg (2nd step), you will move yourself under your opponent’s right arm and a bit behind his right shoulder. If you just pull his right arm toward his hand direction and twist it downward, you will create a “flip” force on him and throw him forward. I have never seen anybody be able to use this move in tournament. As Lucas had pointed out, if you can make your side kick work, the throw may work after that. If you can’t make your side kick work, since you have to move 2 steps, that will give your opponent too much time to react. This will make the move a low successful rate. It’s a good demo move but not a good combat move.
A realistic “solo” combat throw should be able to be executed within 1/2 second. Any throw that take longer than that, the successful rate will be lower. If you have to borrow your opponent’s force, your speed will depend on your opponent’s speed, that will be a different story.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1108355]that’s pretty much the way I do a side kick as well. Like I said, I practice it over a chair. The closer I stand to the back of the chair, the more I have to lift my knee and lower leg. Great training, but a real pain to do well.
The throw you mentioned, is that a neck mopping throw? I can see that as being one possibility.[/QUOTE]
I had forgotten that one. Thanks for the reminder.
[QUOTE=goju;1108295]No i subscribe to the Bas Rutten theory of fighting where every strike is a full out power shot.I Keep my power side forward and side kick with the lead leg only so i get the most out of the kick.[/QUOTE]
Although I think that throwing too many snapping kicks will get you in trouble at times, I wonder if Bas was speaking more to the strategy that some people will use which is to hold back effort during early rounds of fighting?
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1108471]Although I think that throwing too many snapping kicks will get you in trouble at times, I wonder if Bas was speaking more to the strategy that some people will use which is to hold back effort during early rounds of fighting?[/QUOTE]
Bas’ view is that, if you put your “all” into every shot ( make every shot count) even those that don’t hit the spot will compromise your opponents structure and keep him honest.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1108477]Bas’ view is that, if you put your “all” into every shot ( make every shot count) even those that don’t hit the spot will compromise your opponents structure and keep him honest.[/QUOTE]
Which means what? Don’t throw snapping techniques or always throw hard (whatever it is that you are throwing). I suspect that it is always throw hard within the structure of a technique. If you are throwing a snapping kick then throw a hard one rather than avoid snapping kicks.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1108477]Bas’ view is that, if you put your “all” into every shot ( make every shot count) even those that don’t hit the spot will compromise your opponents structure and keep him honest.[/QUOTE]
Bas Rutten also knocks people out with a JAB!
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And barstools.
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The “Bas knocks people out with a jab comment,” is of uncertain significance. Does Bas have Mike Tyson-like power? That’s probably part of it, but does Bas advocate only throwing the stiffest and hardest jab or does he also like to throw more standard jabs. My point is that I think that what Bas was referring to was effort no necessarily avoiding a type or class of technique specifically. All I think that Bas was getting at was to avoid flicker and “feeling” techniques and put some power into whatever you throw even though it may not be the most powerful form of the technique that you could throw.