How come high ranking Wing Chun and other kung fu masters get taken down at will

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BJJ

How does BJJ have a chance against WC Dim Mak???:cool:
Come fellas I have only just begun!
MA Fanatic I gave you ample time to tell me who the WC masters are now I will begin since your knowledge is pitiful, WC is the Superior art and since none can give sufficient evidence claiming otherwise WC is Victorious!!!1:cool:

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MA Fanatic

How very clever of you to pick up that it is changing!

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Jon

Jon what are your qaulificaions in word tone and sentence structure analysing???
Detective Jon LOL Pathetic:cool:

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MY IDENTITY

Just because I will not state what school I learn at does not mean that I will not accept challenges!!!:cool:

GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!
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Greetings sunstylin

“Jon if Im a kid stop wasting your time going to all this effort typing”

  • Nah its too much fun pulling the micky out of you then watching you make pathetic attempts to get your own back. Are your friends paying you out yet or are they still egging you on to make a further fool of yourself?

"it is obvious that I have succeeded in making you angry why else waste so much time? "
*Not angry, disapointed! The reason im still responding is i find it humerous to make you double back fourteen times to try and defend yourself.

"Wing Chun is superior becauseit has:
Chi meridians, pressure points, forward force, ultimate force and other forces! "

  • Yep Wing Chun is a great art, no argument from me there.

"It is the most humanly efficient style based on a biomechanical structure that is the human body! "

  • err i HATE to break this to you, EVERY style is based on the ‘biomechanical structure of the human body’! Still your undying dedication to your art dispite having no clue about it is rather endearing.

“Wing Chun has no technique so it defeats all! HAHAHA!!!”

  • Well than how come my training partner (Rick Spains student) is cross training in Tai Chi and Bagua? And why can i still break though him without much worry dispite him knowing ALL the forms PLUS BJJ?

“Rick Spain is a good teacher I will say nothing bad about him or his students!”

  • Just admit to being his student and get it over and done with, he has LOADS so its not like anyone is going to care less. The main downside is that your constantly dropping his name in a bad light. Rick Spain certainly is an excerelent WC practioner and fighter and is very respected, quit walking on his reputation would be my advice.

“How does BJJ have a chance against WC Dim Mak?”

  • Ask Rick Spain the same question, i already know what he will tell you but i feel you may be a little shocked.

“Jon what are your qaulificaions in word tone and sentence structure analysing?”

  • getting a little ansy with me arnt you:p Whats the matter am i hitting you a little TO close to home huh?

“Just because I will not state what school I learn at does not mean that I will not accept challenges!”

  • Very well, im at Darling Harbour Chinese Gardens every day anytime before lunch, feel free to come and show me in person this supperiour WC Dim Mak and ill happily cross hands with you :smiley:

Now you have a REAL location and can show at anytime you like, considering you have totaly igonored my questions dispite saying you would go into detail im sure your not going to show anyway.
lol maybe you should bring your friends, you may need them :slight_smile:

errr considering your only a kid you better not take that toooooo seriously:p

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Sun: Father son team? could be?

Sun: It is clear that more than person is writing your posts. You went from confusing your ‘NOs’ and ‘KNOWs’ to using words like ‘ample.’ Do you think that you and I are competing on this forum? That’s it isn’t it? You think this is a competition. I don’t care that you don’t name the school you train in, or that you keep your 007 identity a secret. But, for crying out loud, if you make a challenge, at least have the courage to name a city and state. No one is afraid of a little monkey like yourself. People read your posts and laugh at their inconsistencies, lack of substance and inaccuracies. The entire concept of you starting threads about out of context statements I have made is comical to any adult, including myself, on the forum. As for WC Masters, I have repeated many times that my statements included NHB competitions which have been going on for over 60 years (no one is talking about UFC). You have refused to hear that. YOUR ONLY defense in this pathetic childish forum tournament you have started, is that I have not named any Wing Chun masters who have fought in the UFC. That BROKEN record defense of yours has as much of a chance of working as your deadly WC dim mak. As for names, I will not do research to fuel your discussion. I simply have no time.

I will help you find answers for your questions on your own:
Look at UFC 1 and 2 for Kung Fu fighters and Penkak Silat fighters. Check UFC 6 (the one Don Frye won) for a Pa Kua fighter claiming to have 200 victories get KOd with a single punch. See Extreme Fighting 2 for a WC master (american master) lose to Igor Zinoviev after being taken down. See The Gracie Challenge Videos (you can order those on line) for Kung Fu fighters (including a Son Soo Kung Fu fighter who took on Royce twice) take on the challenge and lose. Order the list of Rickson’s apponents (there is a compiled list of close to 70 fights), and you’ll see at least a dozen claiming to be Kung Fu instructors and masters. Order Marco Ruas Unleashed video and see two kung fu fighters get destroyed by two of Marco Ruas’ vale tudo students. If you want to see more, see Rickson in Vale Tudo Japan (I think 1991yr) take out a Wing Chun instructor (you can order those tapes from any Sun Coast Video). A Wing Chun Grandmaster named William Cheung (world famouse) lost to a grappling take down (and he was in his fighting prime at the time). For some reason he didn’t use those Dim Mak strikes you have spoken of. Maybe you should give him some lessons, you pathetic little boy. Even Bruce Lee (I assume you know who he is because you study from his movies) had publically stated that Wing Chun was very limmited. Actually, coming from such a diverse martial arts background as yourself (including training from the Machodos for 7 years…that’s laughable), I’m surprised at the bs you write. Kung Fu instructors have lost in full contact competitions such as the Shidokan (see Chicago Shidokan videos), Bare Knuckle fighting tournaments (though face contact was not allowed in those)…just see The Fighting Black Kings (you can rent the documentary), and Cage Fighting (those tournaments are held in IL., IN, MI, and CA every 3 or so months).
I’m not going to flip through all my NHB tapes and or pay money for tapes I have seen just to “WIN” your little forum contest. You do your own research from this point on. If you want more detailed answers or truly want to test your skills contact www.mixedmartialarts.com or MMAtv.com. I think the guys on that forum will be more than happy to fight you anywhere any time. That is if you provide the city and state. Hell, they’ll even pay to bounce you around a little bit. Everyone needs a good warmup.

Now I post a challenge to you: Tell us your true martial arts background. Tell me one Wing Chun master who had fought and defeated anyone of substance in the last 100 years. Please please please tell me. Tell us the city and state where you live (and be prepared to answer specific questions about the location). Tell us who you consider a true martial arts master. Explain to us this, why do you call people cowards for not showing up at your deadly challenge when you don’t give them a city and state? You’re the coward little boy. No one is going to search the entire country for a pimpled faced kid standing in a school yard with a pair of nunchucks and his sister’s friend for a witness. I love cowardly little punks like yourself. You don’t answer any questions about yourself but demand answers from everyone else. You post challenges, but don’t provide locations, and you claim to have skills which you do not, never have, and never will. lol
MA fanatic

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Re: BJJ

Originally posted by sunstylin
[B]as far as the clinch? a few basic techniques, such as a lan sau, make the clinch difficult and often quite painful.

also, when a wing chun person talks about sensitivity, he or she is NOT talking about weakness. instead, that person has better bodily control and does not rely on their strength to deal with an attack. instead, they take advantage of the body’s natural structure, the attackers force/energy and flow with it, same as water would. an opening turns up, they’re through, usually with more fists, palms, elbows and fingers than you can count. the idea is based on flowing rather than fighting. it’s difficult to tell – i’d rather show you and let you feel why certain things just work a certain way.

by drilling things like sensitivity in your WHOLE BODY, you learn to move with, not against, a person’s attack and when an opening arrives, you take it and wring all you can from it. your body will react better, usually without you even thinking about it, and if you’re good enough, you’ll have an uglified attacker who will require dental work when he comes to and hopefully a chance to get the hell away. [/B]

  • Can we stick with this version of Sun it sounds a little more intelligent. That or just using a spelling and grammar checker:p
    Either way this is getting hella silly now and its obvious that you have nothing to offer other than trolling.
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There seems to be at least two Suns and at least three Raleks. I think some kids in a dorm somewhere are taking turns having fun.

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Dear Jon

I never said Rick Spain was my teacher, only that he is a good teacher. Please try and be more careful when making assumptions about me.
Thank you for the information on Yip Man I found it very informative!
Now as for your challenge, I will not fight at your kung fu school, however if you are serious, then you may meet me at Lucas Heights Nuclear reactor employee car park! This is a nuetral area for both of us and is fair as noone will have any help! You live in sydney and have sufficient time to get to there by Sunday 5:00am Or maybe since I have given the impression that Im only a kid you would like someone who is nown as a adult and very skilful WC practitioner? Well then challenge Troy Sing Ting, he can very easily show you the Dim Mak!
Failure to fight either one of us will show your inferior kung fu ability, and prove that WC is the superior art!!!:cool:

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MA Fanatic

You stated earlier that WC masters fought in the UFC I will Not Waste anymore time with you until you name these so called WC masters!!!:cool:

When I throw a dog a scrap I dont wanna know if the bone taste’s good!
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Royce Gracie

UFC no.4 shows Royce Gracie training on a speedball, his punches are pathetic! How do you expect those punches to compete with a WC Masters chain punches???:cool: :cool:

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BJJ Weakness

I have seen in many threads you talk about Weights!!! Here is a tip for you hopless BJJ practitioners!!!
Power is something that you can train, but very difficult to develop. Since power is a derivative of mass and acceleration. Usually, due to mega tension, many people hinder their power. Many people mistake things by saying you can develop power, the main way you can do that is by simply increasing your mass. But to utilize more power one needs to train to relax, so that tension does not hinder your acceleration.
WC is the Superior ART!!!:cool: :slight_smile:

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sunstylin

  • I will only go though this challenge stuff with you once and i will make myself VERY clear about it now.
    Im not challenging Wing Chun, i have friends in the art and think highly of it. My offer was for you to show up and show me this supperiour wing chun you claim to have. I dont believe in meeting people in car parks in the early hours of the morning as believe it or not people have been known to come to unfortunate demise that way. If you would like to meet me at the gardens i will happy to then go somewhere with you to spar but im not about to meet you in private knowing nothing of who you are or who you may be with.

“then challenge Troy Sing Ting, he can very easily show you the Dim Mak!”

  • I dont know ‘Troy Sing Ting’ and i find it amusing you are making challenges on his behalf. My offer was to you and you alone, i didnt word it as a challenge only an offer to show me this Wing Chun you say cant be discribed in text.

Failure to show up at the Chinese Gardens means your a coward and unable to back up your claims.

I dont like internet challenges and that was not my intension but i WILL back up my words. If your really serious then you know where i am and how to find me.

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This thread is a waste of bandwidth and should be deleted IMO.

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Akuma
I second that motion
Email admin and ask them to take a look, its nothing but a troll thread anyway.

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Bickering on the internet is useless.

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Dear Jon

I will not meet at your school to fight, meet me on neutral grounds as I mentioned before!
If you fail to turn up at the previously mentioned site it will only prove your lack of kung fu skills, and that WC is the superior Martial Art!!!:cool:
I can clearly see you are scared by insisting to fight at your school where all your martial artist mates will be!!! You are a coward if you fail to show up!!!:cool: :cool: :cool:

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Jon

I will be waiting for you!!!LOL!!!
Maybe you would like to fight a master such as Tsui Seung Tin!
If you deny knowing this particular person then it will only portray your poor knowledge of WC!!!
Good Luck you will need it if your not scared to show up at Lucas heights this Sunday 5:00am reactor employee carpark!!!

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Sunstylin, I challenge you to a WC vs. BJJ match (no offense, WC guys..) This will be a real fight. Show up at 6 am tomorrow morning by the big oak tree at the park and fight me.
If you do not show up it will only prove the supremacy of BJJ over WC and how poor your kung fu skills really are.
I will be waiting at 6 am. If you do not show up, I am the winner and you will show how bad your skills are. And that BJJ is superior by far.

Ryu

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sunstylin

Why are you so angry?Fighting is the number one cause of “poked out eyes” in the world.The whole lot of it sounds too dangerous for me.