JR wrote:
Sorry that you dont understand what I am trying to say but its not a dead animal. We all have “structure” while moving. If not, then we will crumble easily. So, my views are very consistant. JR
>>In my view, “structure” is used to teach body feel, mechanics, etc. – as a starting point for beginners. Once one gets that feel, the mechanics, etc. the “structure” is no longer needed. If a person gets “stuck” on structure, the remain at a beginner level (I must stand this way, put my knees here, my elbows there, etc.). The “structure” in application is there for a moment, an instant, and it won’t even be seen.
In order for your “ALIVE Structure” to function you need to maintain a “SLIGHT” clamp so that power will not leak out. The elbow’s relax down/sink for many reasons as do they other things for other reasons. Your die hard belief of there is no “best or correct” way is just how you support eclectic IMO. Everything is not everything IMO. JR
>>If one does a single leg YJKYM how do you maintain a “slight clamp”? 
You see, that’s why we are taught the single leg SNT – to help the student/trainee move beyond the constraints of double leg “structure” and into what the “structure” is pointing to: body feel, mechanics, action, etc.
**I can produce good short power on one leg, with wide legs, with narrow legs, kneeling, etc. It comes from practice.
Really! Please show us. Send in a clip! If your horse is wide it will produce less shock! Thats a fact. The energy will wave thru your body versus vibrate. So, please demo your shock for us. JR
>>We are taught to do things with a certain “structure” because it makes finding (yes, finding) the mechanic or feel easier for the student. Sort of like learning how to do a backflip (a complicated body action). I can teach it to you with your legs narrow which makes it easier to learn. Does that mean you can’t do it with widely spread legs or from one leg? No. I only “demo” in person. I’ll try to make it to Cleveland, and we can compare there if you like.
>>FWIW, I’ll tell you why I don’t do video clips – because theoreticians will look at it, and “judge” it based on their theoretical views of how WCK should be (based on hearsay or history or what their sifu told them), and WCK can’t be “judged” that way. Then they’ll critique it, again from this theoretical POV, and I’ll defend it — blah, blah, blah. In person, there will be no question.
**I thought you said YJKYM wasn’t a pose. This is beginner level stuff – things you are told as a beginner, “keep the knees in to protect the groin”, etc. In reality, in fighting, things are more dynamic than that, they are in a constant state of change or flux. Yes, we can clamp but that is an application; when not using that applciation, I don’t need the action.
T, please stop playing word games. You know and I know the body has certain things going on that bring out the dynamic results. If we were just standing around talking then you dont need any of this stuff but when you a fighting with someone and join with them you need an alive and flexible structure. JR
>>You’re focusing on the finger (what is pointing the way) instead of the moon (what the finger is pointing to). These “structural” aspects are pointing to something else; once you get that, you can forget the finger.
**Sure they do, because they are theoreticians, and it sounds great in theory. It just doesn’t work that way.
Oh really? Please call up Roger Hagood and tell him he is a Theoretician. Please call up Donald Wong and tell him he is a Theoretician. Or you can ask your sifu who has met Donald. Please call up Chin Dor and tell him he is a theoretician! Actually! Instead of calling them why not visit their school and tell them! I am quite sure they will have no problem letting you test them out! JR
>>So you want me to go fight these guys to prove to you my view is correct? I know my view is correct because I’m fighting and already doing what I’m saying.
**To show how silly this is, I can prove that there is absolutely no way for “clamped knees” to stop a groin shot (from a parallel YJKYM) – no way. Thinking that it will is pure theory. And it’s nonsense. Anyone that fights will know that; a powerful shot will get through. That’s not what the clamping is for. You can control the opponent’s legs when you get in close by doing a number of things (which one specifically will depend on the situation), clamping your knees isn’t one.
Read the above reply and when you visit them feel free to kick them in the jewels and post the results. I am sure you are willing since you can prove there is no absolute way for that to work. Please post your results. JR
>>If you’re interested in testing your theory, go test it yourself: go fight some good (proven) fighters and tell them to try to really kick you in the groin. If you have so much faith in your “knee in protection” don’t wear a cup.
**Correct, but I was commenting on those that felt a clamped YJKYM would save you.
Everything has a purpose. We just have “totally” different views on WCK. But of course you know that! JR
>>There are levels . . .
Look, WCK’s method is to cut-off his offense and break his structure (balance); if I don’t do these things, I’m going to get pounded. My whole method is based on doing these things. If he prevents me from using my method, he’s going to beat me.
Hey! We agree on something! Wow! Miracles do happen!. JR
>>I’m sure we aree on many things. My point is that the theory means nothing if you can’t do it. If you believe your theory of keeping the knees in to protect the groin, then test it - against really good folks. If you can make it work against them, then great – it works for you. Doesn’t mean I need to do it that way or should do it that way. My experience is that it doesn’t work that way – I find that it works for me in other ways. I can make those work against good skilled fighters.
**Your question is sort of like asking a groundfighter, what are you going to do if you can’t get him on the ground? The answer: you make sure you’re good enough that this doesn’t happen.
Oh please! This is laughable. Remember! In the real world there are back up plans in case of mistake or in case you face a btter skilled person. In the end whomever is better at their game will win.
>>Yes, but my point is we train to make our gameplan work the best we can. But we need to recognize that once we are taken out of ourgameplan, then we need to do something else (a different gameplan using different tools).
