Not bad. I would have skipped the CST book and Core Cadre as well as warrior wellness. You’ll be getting plenty of ROM/Joint work with Body Flow and the CB’s. Of course I didn’t figure that out either until after I wasted my money on them too…
Ford:
If I owned most of Pavel’s stuff, why not Sonnon’s stuff? I am planning to collect all his videos and books like I did with Pavel’s body of work. Grip strength and shoulders and hips play a huge role in the type of wing chun I practice. Therefore Kettlebells and ClubBells are things which I thing no serious wing chun student should miss.
Originally posted by FooFighter
Grip strength …
Some interesting old school ideas in John Brookfield’s book. I’d recommend it.
TobyOne:
Thanks for the information. I have heard of this author and his book, but dont have it. Are you doing any KBs and CBs work?
Yeah, Foo. If you are a big fan of Pavel’s, it’d make sense to like Sonnon and vice-versa.
Originally posted by FooFighter
I have heard of this author and his book, but dont have it. Are you doing any KBs and CBs work?
Like I said, worth it if you happen to be making an Ironmind purchase. I don’t do KB or CB work. I wouldn’t mind KB’s, but price in Oz scares me off. I can get a hell of a lot of Olympic setup for the same price. CB’s - the closest I come is I made my own Heavy Hammer II out of a piece of galvanised 2" pipe, 700mm long. The pipe alone is heavy enough, but I stuck a couple of Olympic Bulldog collars on it and it’s pretty heavy. I wanted to stick weight on there, but it’s unnecessary. I could start sticking a few pounds on there now, I guess. But as Ford once said, I wouldn’t trust it for CB work. I feel it really helps my grip, though.
Back to the book, he uses sledgehammers for a lot of work. Similar stuff to HHII or CB, although not as dynamic as CB work. One exercise that interests me is “finger walking”. You hold the hammer vertically in your fingertips and “walk” your fingers one after the other up and down the shaft. Another is hold two hammers one out each side of your hand and move your hand around so the hammers are horizontal, vertical, whatever. One I really want to try is make a leather pouch and fill it with shot and toss it up in the air and catch it. Supposed to be very good for a claw grip. I’ve heard that students in my school that used to learn a tiger style would do this in the old days. Last cool idea - drive an axe head into a large block of wood (with or without the axe handle) and lift the wood in a farmer’s walk by pinch-gripping the axe head. Anyway, the point is, it’s full of out-of-the-box ideas.
Toby:
I get enough direct forearm work with my wrist roller and Ivanko Super Gripper and indirectly from my weight training, Kettlebells and ClubBells training. I understand that KBs are quite expensive but you are really missing out on good Pavel’s intel by passing this tool up as well with the CBs. Much of PTP is much more a complete package when you study how to use Kettlebells along with PTP in my opinion. There is no close CB-substitute which as you know Ford can better explain than I.
The Heavy Hammer II sound like the Thor Hammer which sound like great old school strength tool but I am not too keen on home made, boot leg creations unless you are a skilled wielder. Hence, I believe authentic Kettlebells and ClubBells fit the bill for me and I have achieve good gains from using them. Just today as I was working with my clubs many curious personal trainers and fellow gym rats wanted to play with my Club and were surprised that something that only weight 15Lb felt so heavy. Some even wanted to buy a CB. Some personal trainers asked me to demostrate how this Iron Bat worked and I performed a clean/ torch press while doing a pistol. When none of the trainers could copy my movement, I will admit I felt like a braggart. However
I did motivated many gym rats to maybe rethink their own routines. <wink>
Originally posted by FooFighter
[B]Toby:
I get enough direct forearm work with my wrist roller and Ivanko Super Gripper and indirectly from my weight training, Kettlebells and ClubBells training. I understand that KBs are quite expensive but you are really missing out on good Pavel’s intel by passing this tool up as well with the CBs. Much of PTP is much more a complete package when you study how to use Kettlebells along with PTP in my opinion. There is no close CB-substitute which as you know Ford can better explain than I.[/B]
Just trying to help. The book is worth a read, anyway. BTW, dunno whether Ford does/did much CB work. Did you read the recent article on KB’s arguing some of their major points? Don’t remember which thread it was. Anyway, for the price of 6 KB’s I got a full power rack and 400lb Olympic weight. I’ll have to wait a few years if I want KB’s and even then it’ll probably be supplemental. I’d rather start with the Olympic lifts first but before I do anything I have to rehab my shoulder.
Originally posted by FooFighter
The Heavy Hammer II sound like the Thor Hammer which sound like great old school strength tool but I am not too keen on home made, boot leg creations unless you are a skilled wielder. Hence, I believe authentic Kettlebells and ClubBells fit the bill for me and I have achieve good gains from using them.
Nothing wrong with homemade, especially if you save big bucks. I like the idea of old-school stuff. Stone lifting, caber tossing, tyre flipping, sledgehammers, etc. I’ve got nothing against KB’s and CB’s except the price, especially in Oz. My homemade Heavy Hammer isn’t dodgy. It’s just a 700mm length of 2" galvanised pipe with a couple of Olympic collars on one end - nothing difficult to that. Adjustable weight and position of the weight. As to boot leg -nothing illegal about making one, either.