Read the section “TKD then and now”. A very good and as far as I can tell accurate history of TKD.
http://www.geocities.com/changhontkd/index.htm
[i]Signed,
Rogue, Soke and Senior Grandmaster of Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society.
The only tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is, “To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." [/i]
But I thought TKD was 4 million years old? And predated all other martial arts by at leats 5 minutes? 
hahahahahaha, finally someone is placing fairly accurate info about the schools on the web.
Tang Soo Do and Hwarang Do are not the same thing however, so don’t any of you try to draw the parralels.
And, there’s a few Kung Fu styles that in actuality had their foundations in Karate.
It’s a big circle, coming around on itself over and over and over again.
Theres also lots of Kung Fu styles that were never influenced at all by anything but Indigenous Chinese martial arts (usually Taoist sometimes blended with buddhist), and some that were strictly Buddhist Martial arts.
I always thought that the Koreans called Bodidharma Daruma. Ta Mo is the abbreviated “nickname” the Chinese gave him from their name for him “Pu Ti Ta Mo”.
Also, Ta Mo, wrote nothing down and taught from existant sutras to his follower Hui Ke. The Bone marrow washing classic and the muscle/tendon/sinew change classic were not written down in anything other than the notes of those who learned it through the Ch’an patriarchs and Martial teachers at Shaolin.
peace
Kung Lek
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Which ones? Never heard that before.
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“Civilize the mind but make savage the body”
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Kung Lek, have you studied HRD?
Here’s what the guy says in his bio…
“My training in Hung Gar was my favorite. I wish I could find my childhood Sifu.”
So ease up guys. 
[i]Signed,
Rogue, Soke and Senior Grandmaster of Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society.
The only tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is, “To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." [/i]
nope, haven’t formally studied HwaRang Do.
I do know that the Hwarang were around a long time ago. of noble lineage in the early dynasties of the korean king ships. They did have a martial art or more accurately a warriors code not unlike those of the Japanese and their predacessors the Chinese.
Many of the early asian civilizations were modeled on those of the Indian civilization which next to the chinese is the oldest unbroken civilization in existance. The Chinese being an equal in length of time in succesion of lineages with the breakups (not total) for both occuring with the incurrsions of various warring tribes and empires with the most notable being the british who lost their hold in India in 1947 and China in 1997. but still, that’ some pretty high civilizations that were existing for a very long time.
The koreans had high civilization also for extended periods of time as did the cambodians with the Khmer and the Persians and all others who populated out of the Hindu Kush into the Indus valley and all along the silk road.
These people were at advanced levels of civilization while most western peoples were still crawling around in caves of the frozen north clothing themselves in animals skins.
the Wheel of life is not unlike the wheel of comedy it seems
such is life.
peace
Kung Lek
But here’s the kicker KL, now we’re advanced and now they’re crawling around in caves! Go figure.
The reason I ask about HRD is that I’ve been looking into it for the last couple of months. Good art but I still don’t buy into the ancient lineage.
[i]Signed,
Rogue, Soke and Senior Grandmaster of Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society.
The only tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is, “To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." [/i]
Dude don’t forget it all started in Korea!
and that Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society is fake it’s just a shoot off tkd.
“Always be ready”
“right, that’s it!you’ve insulted me, and you’ve insulted the shaolin temple!”-Fish of Furry
[This message was edited by NorthernMantis on 11-19-01 at 07:28 PM.]
[This message was edited by NorthernMantis on 11-19-01 at 07:31 PM.]
Hwarang Do is gussied up Hapkido. No ancient lineage.
“Poor is the pupil who
does not surpass his
master” - Leonardo Da
Vinci
If it is a good art then who cares about the ancient lineage?
you say that because you have no lineage
“and that Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society is fake it’s just a shot off tkd.”
Oh Yeah, real mantis is in the south. So there.
“Hwarang Do is gussied up Hapkido.”
Not quite. While I agree with your second sentence, Joo Bang Lee, no matter what art HRD started from, has come up with an art that is different from Hapkido in execution of technique. I’d say it’s like comparing Hakko-ryu JJ and Aikido, both founders studied under the same master and while the arts may have similarities, they are not the same arts. One(Hakko ryu and HRD) being more practical(IMO) than the other(Aikido and Hapkido). You have to compare them side by side to really see the difference, but there’s less selling of the “throws” in HRD than in Hapkido. In other words people don’t fly through the air for 10 feet in HRD when they apply a wrist lock, the guy either goes straight down or he’ll flip and go straight down.
[i]Signed,
Rogue, Soke and Senior Grandmaster of Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society.
The only tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is, “To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." [/i]
How do I have no lineage? Nutfunny or whatever you call yourself now what do you consider lineage?
“Oh Yeah, real mantis is in the south. So there.”
Hey wait a minute I thought it was from Korea :eek: :eek:
“Always be ready”
“right, that’s it!you’ve insulted me, and you’ve insulted the shaolin temple!”-Fish of Furry
Good TKD site??
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
No, that would be “good tkd”. It’s possible to make a good site about tkd though!
You cannot defeat the Bronze Girls of Shaolin!watchman returns
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What we really need is chicks with a whole new kinda orifice - Fish
Sharky, I should expect this level of immaturity from you after seeing your post titled “Hm.” regarding the woman that lives next door to you. I think everyone who unfortuneatly read that post is a bit more ignorant now for doing so. - Spectre
All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.
Don’t diss the DO. There are lots of sucky TKD guys out there but its a good style with the right person behind it.
Shinwa, don’t take it too seriously. I’m just trying to get in a weak dig on Rogue since he’s stirring up trouble over on the Wing Chun forum.
With Rogue’s jokes and Kung Lek’s constant trolling on the WC forum it’s been hard wading through it all. 