Going to Shaolin next month

I’ll be fufilling a longtime dream by actually visiting the Shao Lin temple next month. The wife and I are taking three weeks to visit a few spots in China, my personal highlight will be going to the temple. Anything before or after that is just icing on the cake. :slight_smile:

I’ve some questions for those who’ve gone or are familiar with the area:

*How long should it take me to see the grounds? Should I plan on two days, or just one?

  • Best way to get there?

  • I anticipate staying in Luoyang so we can see White Horse Temple and Longman Grottoes. What else over in that area should we try to see?

  • Best (or at least quality) place to stay?

I’d appreciate any/all advice I can get.

Thanx :slight_smile:

stay there if you can - you’ll see more

You should take a look at our 2005 Shaolin special because it will catch you up to what’s happening now, as well as our 2003 Shaolin special since that issue was designed as sort of a FAQ for Shaolin travellers.

You can easily see the temple grounds in a few hours. If you can get the time, you’ll want to hike to Tamo’s cave. It’s possible to do that and see the temple in one day, but you’ll be rushed, so I’d take the extra day. Now, as mentioned in that Shaolin special 2005, there is a highway that connects Shaolin to Loyang and White Horse, sort of the tourist route, if you will. It greatly reduces your travel time between these areas and opens up a lot of different places to stay. Shaolin is now only about an hour away from Zhengzhou, so you could even stay there, if you like big congested cites. I would recommend that you try to spend a few days in the area if you can - there’s actually a lot to see on Songshan beyond Shaolin - some spectacular hiking, Confucian and Taoist temples, the enormous private schools at their daily training - it’s different if you can stay longer. The quick tourist snapshot of Shaolin is not nearly as impressive, but if that’s all you can manage, it’s better than nothing.

Are you going through a toursit group?

First, thanx for the links. I found your site via the magazine which I picked up at Borders. Good mag! :slight_smile:

We’re traveling solo, without a group. Which gives us more freedom but (I suspect) more risk and less comfort. We’re basically going:

Shanghai
Nanjing (maybe)
Shaolin
Xian
Shenyang (maybe)
Beijing

Before heading back to L.A.

Seeing other temples in the area sounds fun, tho hiking might be out of the picture. I’ll need to figure out transportation and a decent place to sleep.

How English friendly is this aspect of the trip? I could prolly figure out the characters for Shao Lin on a bus sign; would that be the best way to get there?

Again I appreciate the feedback.

Thanks for your kinds words on the mag!

You should contact my friend, Mr. Wang Yu Min at C.I.T.S. - he’s a local travel agent who handles everyone from the Abbot to Sin The, from Demasco to little ol’ me. Here is the website - feel free to mention my name. There’s a lot of foreign travellers going to Shaolin, and A LOT of scam artists that will pick you up at the train station and take you for a ride, if you get my meaning. You can trust Mr. Wang though. He’ll give you a fair price for his services and can cater to your exact needs. It’s what he does, and since he’s the VP of C.I.T.S., he’s accountable and reliable. He can set you up with transportation and hotel (although if you read that 2003 special, I give enough info for you to do it yourself, if you want).

Xian is beautiful. Be sure to check out the street market near the mosque. That place is a shopper’s paradise. For Beijing shopping, check out the top floor of Hongqiao market, if you can. Both used to be decent sources for antique weapons. :wink:

Could you send me some contacts at shaolin. I intend to make a trip there for 9 or so months.

Sorry to bump this old thread, but I wanted to say thanx for the advice at the time.

We did end up going to China. At almost the last minute, the mother-in-law invited herself along. My initial reaction was one of irritation but it turned out to be the best thing to have happened to us. My in-laws are Chinese and with them leading the way, I got to see ALOT more and spend ALOT less than had I gone without them.

We ended up staying in Luoyang and hired a taxi for the day. The newly built highway was virtually empty; an unusual sight for somebody from Los Angeles.

We spent one day around Shaolin. The first part of the day we took a gondola up to the top of the nearby mountain (Song Shan?) which was beautiful. Came back down, cruised through the Forest of Steles, marveling at the history of it all.

Entering the temple itself…just walking through the doors geeked me out. I was actually in the Shaolin Temple LOL. I’d been in plenty of temples by that point of the trip and Shaolin didn’t really stand out from the rest, aside from the things that I’d been specifically looking for; such as the floor with the permanent indentations from years of practice.

From there we eventually got around to seeing the monk’s performance. Which was…well…corny. Didn’t come all that way to see a effing stage show, although I accept that its necessary for tourists to get their “money’s worth”. I was content just to hang out and be there. Between shows, a couple of the young kids started clowning with me outside the performance area.

All in all it was a great day. It was a something I was able to mark off my personal checklist for things to do/places to go.

I’d also HIGHLY suggest that people see the Longmen Grottoes. I lost a few pounds that day, between the humidity and the steep, long stairways. But everything of value takes effort, and the reward for all that exercise was some of the most astonishing iconography I will ever see.

What else: Shanghai ROCKS. I don’t know what I expected (probably something dark, dangerous and misty) but the city itself shocked me. If I were to ever move to China that would be the place I’d go. Nanjing was cool, learned some real Chinese cultural history there (ie, Dr Sun tomb) and ate the best.noodle.soup.ever at a vegetarian restaurant. Were I a rich man I’d fly back there once a month just to have it again.

Xian was cool. The area around the mosque (and the mosque itself) was beautiful and alien. Beijing, I could do without ever seeing again. Shenyang was where alot of my inlaws were and we had a great time there.

Truth be told, I learned a little bit of what its like to be a stranger in a strange land. Its given me a little insight into what it would be like to be an immigrant, and to be deeply homesick for familiar sights. We had a great time but it was also wonderful to land back at LAX and go get a cheeseburger with a side of fries and an iced tea. :smiley:

So sorry again for bumping this, but just wanted to say hello and thanx for the input back then.

Did you get to train at the temple?

[QUOTE=GeneChing;624314]You should contact my friend, Mr. Wang Yu Min at C.I.T.S. - he’s a local travel agent who handles everyone from the Abbot to Sin The, from Demasco to little ol’ me. Here is the website - feel free to mention my name. There’s a lot of foreign travellers going to Shaolin, and A LOT of scam artists that will pick you up at the train station and take you for a ride, if you get my meaning. You can trust Mr. Wang though. He’ll give you a fair price for his services and can cater to your exact needs. It’s what he does, and since he’s the VP of C.I.T.S., he’s accountable and reliable. He can set you up with transportation and hotel (although if you read that 2003 special, I give enough info for you to do it yourself, if you want).

Xian is beautiful. Be sure to check out the street market near the mosque. That place is a shopper’s paradise. For Beijing shopping, check out the top floor of Hongqiao market, if you can. Both used to be decent sources for antique weapons. ;)[/QUOTE]

Hey GeneChing,
I check out the web site and it did not say in the training section about if you train at the temple or at a wushu school. Do you know if they let you train at the temple? How much is it for a month?

[QUOTE=sun dragon;791918]Did you get to train at the temple?[/QUOTE]

No, but I did walk my @ss off during that trip. Lost a few pounds walking up and down narrow stairways on hot, humid days. Just thinking about China makes my feet hurt. :smiley:

I agree with Gene, give yourself a few days as there are a ton of things to do beyond the temple.

I spent 2 day just trekking around songshan (give the cable car a miss, its much better hiking it) and felt like even that wasn’t enough time.

Its a bonus that you are going independantly. Me and my girlfriend did and I think the experience was 100x better because of it. Loyang is really good and the grottos are excellent. There is also a nice little temple across the river from the grottos thats worth a visit. If you get a chance have a look around DengFeng. There are streets lined with martial arts shops selling everything from deerhorn knives to feiyues (the latter cost me about £1) aswell as some tasty places to eat out. At the center of dengfeng there is a square and a lot of steps leading up to a big pagado that boasts good views of the city. White horse temple is also excellent and IMO a nicer temple than shaolin :smiley:

Have a wicked time, enjoy the sites…and take the chunky lonely planet with you. (cannot stress that enough if your going independantly, do not speak chinese and are on a budget)

regards

craig

oww seems like my advice is a little late…well im glad you enjoyed the trip anyhow

Apart from the fog, which you later realise is ‘smog’…what didn’t you like about beijing?

I landed in beijing in february so it was like deep snow and minus 9 degrees…i thought it was quite a nice city?

maybe different in the summer (if you went then?)

[QUOTE=monkeyfoot;792728]oww seems like my advice is a little late…well im glad you enjoyed the trip anyhow

Apart from the fog, which you later realise is ‘smog’…what didn’t you like about beijing?

I landed in beijing in february so it was like deep snow and minus 9 degrees…i thought it was quite a nice city?

maybe different in the summer (if you went then?)[/QUOTE]

Beijing reminded me of L.A., where I’m from. It was packed, rude, and full of people who were aggressively trying to rip me off. It was the one part of the trip where we didn’t have family around, and virtually every transaction turned out to be a struggle not to get punked. Lesson re-learned: the ignorant get screwed. If you don’t know the language or the city, people are going to do you.

You mentioned smog…boy, people in the US have NO idea how bad it is in China.

The Lonely Planet guide was a mixed bag. Some of their hotel choices were…questionable. Especially one in Kaifeng which just happened to be next to a construction site. That starts work at 6am. On a Sunday.

Can you just show up at the Shaolin Temple and train?

yea i know some of the LP recommendations are poor…but its still a godsend anyhow.

Ah you went to Kaifeng. Its got some really nice traditional buildings and a great night market. Did you get to visit the night market and try the spicy meet sticks? We stayed just down the road from the square with the McDonalds on it…tiny little hostel…well run down :smiley:

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Can you just show up at the Shaolin Temple and train?

Not sure mate. Me and my girl just turned up at the main accomodation place and got a cheap room no fuss. I’m guessing for not much more effort you could arrange some lessons

craig

[QUOTE=monkeyfoot;792954]yea i know some of the LP recommendations are poor…but its still a godsend anyhow.

Ah you went to Kaifeng. Its got some really nice traditional buildings and a great night market. Did you get to visit the night market and try the spicy meet sticks? We stayed just down the road from the square with the McDonalds on it…tiny little hostel…well run down :smiley:
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craig[/QUOTE] Yeah the night market was really cool. I ended up eating this sandwich of sorts, I think it was a pickled vegetable with real hot spices served on sweet sesame bread. It was great.

[QUOTE=sun dragon;792780]Can you just show up at the Shaolin Temple and train?[/QUOTE]

Usually you’d have to wait outside in the snow in a meditation position for days. Eventually, when they think you’ve shown enough determination, they will allow you in.

That’s standard protocol. Every one knows that! :rolleyes:

:smiley: :cool:

[QUOTE=sun dragon;792780]Can you just show up at the Shaolin Temple and train?[/QUOTE]
I am sure you could but I would pay for a tour guide the first time you go there then make friends with some of the monks then go back on your own.

[QUOTE=sk girl;793329]I am sure you could but I would pay for a tour guide the first time you go there then make friends with some of the monks then go back on your own.[/QUOTE]

Thanks not a bad idea. I was hoping there was a tour guide that actually goes to the shaolin temple for more then an hour a day and wont rip me off for thousands of dollars or take me to some school thats right next door and tell me I’m going to train at the temple.

why dont you try travel without using a tour guide. thats usually the best way to travel anywhere, and obviously much cheaper.

Glad you had a good trip, Shaolin68

You can train at the temple now although I’ve heard that the lessons are tourist driven and expensive. There are so many fine masters there that the temple is not the first choice amongst the bulk of the Shaolin laowai club. Most tour guides won’t rip you off four thousands of dollars. They may rip you off for a few hundred, but not thousands. That’s true in any tourist area anywhere in the world.