[QUOTE=Shads;1246450]Fcukin hilarious!!! maybe you failed to notice that theirs is a competitive environment where they are about to fight , or maybe you missed the bit where the actual fight is filmed and available to view, or the sh1t load of videos of sparring in Thai, MMA and boxing gyms across the world available online. :eek:[/QUOTE]
If it is available on line then it is by definition demo or exhibition footage. You don’t get live untrammeled access to all of the training, do you?
Secrets of boxing:
Angelo Dundee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzX-lbVrSmg
Kuniaka Shibata has a bunch of clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnUdeJoAcH4
You can also search for Cus D’Amato and Emmanuel Steward and more.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1246477]What you see is what the people in question want you to see, i.e. what is not damaging to them. This is the same for any martial art or fighting sport. MMA is no different to wing chun in this respect.[/QUOTE]
its not damaging to them because we aren’t at a level to stop them doing what they wanted even if we know their secrets :eek::eek::eek:
seriously are you really arguing MMA fighters and thai fighters hide thier REAL stuff just like the wing chun crowd do, you cant be that deluded surely???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYhUC2uQR7I
mikes gym sparring session for pro fighters at the 1 minute mark you can see paul daley and one of his favourite combinations jab cross shovel hook to low round house, i know its one of his favourites because ive been hit with it, now you know his secret too i still doubt he will lose much sleep over us knowing it though
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1246480]Secrets of boxing:
Angelo Dundee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzX-lbVrSmg
Kuniaka Shibata has a bunch of clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnUdeJoAcH4
You can also search for Cus D’Amato and Emmanuel Steward and more.[/QUOTE]
This is an introduction to boxing, a documentary more than anything, and a bit of seminar footage. You can find the same easily enough in wing chun, lol
[QUOTE=Frost;1246483]its not damaging to them because we aren’t at a level to stop them doing what they wanted even if we know their secrets :eek::eek::eek:
seriously are you really arguing MMA fighters and thai fighters hide thier REAL stuff just like the wing chun crowd do, you cant be that deluded surely???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYhUC2uQR7I
mikes gym sparring session for pro fighters at the 1 minute mark you can see paul daley and one of his favourite combinations jab cross shovel hook to low round house, i know its one of his favourites because ive been hit with it, now you know his secret too i still doubt he will lose much sleep over us knowing it though[/QUOTE]
This is a highlights clip, i.e. promotional material. There is no coaching and they are showing you the bits they want you to see- the ones that make them look good.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1246485]This is an introduction to boxing, a documentary more than anything, and a bit of seminar footage. You can find the same easily enough in wing chun, lol[/QUOTE]
can you find the same clips from the wing chun crowd as i just posted from mike gym?
or how about this one think Badr Hari is hiding his real stuff from us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gji3EM4jaV0
[QUOTE=Frost;1246483]seriously are you really arguing MMA fighters and thai fighters hide thier REAL stuff just like the wing chun crowd do, you cant be that deluded surely???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYhUC2uQR7I[/QUOTE]
I’ve no idea what you are talking about really. People show you what they want you to see, i.e. what is not damaging to them. This is the same for boxing, mma and wing chun.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1246478]And yet WC people have no problem putting up clips of no contact, light contact and just plain crappy sparring, not to mention chi sao and any compliant clip you can think off.[/QUOTE]
Obviously they feel that showing anything else would be damaging to them. With guys like you around I think they are probably correct. Why show it when there is no need to? Chi sau and demo clips are enough to attract those that are interested and to show particular flavours
I can’t believe we are still throwing around silliness like “real fighting”.
Where I come from a real fight is any altercation where the guy is trying to knock your teeth out, even more “real” is when he actually KNOWS how to fight too.
I didn’t say anything about “real fighting”. What are you talking about?
[QUOTE=guy b.;1246486]This is a highlights clip, i.e. promotional material. There is no coaching and they are showing you the bits they want you to see- the ones that make them look good.[/QUOTE]
lord you really are dense arent you, where did ronin or i say we wanted to see coaching, we said sparring clips never said we wanted to see a whole fight just clips of people going at it at the same intensity as these guys do
heres close to a round of hari doing light sparring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAUA9Kdnb00
a whole round at house of pain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kedX5w6MpJY&feature=endscreen
buakaw sparring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijaInvi1tU
king mo sparring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iqHHiH5Kcs
[QUOTE=Frost;1246490]lord you really are dense arent you, where did ronin or i say we wanted to see coaching, we said sparring clips never said we wanted to see a whole fight just clips of people going at it at the same intensity as these guys do
heres close to a round of hari doing light sparring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAUA9Kdnb00
a whole round at house of pain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kedX5w6MpJY&feature=endscreen
buakaw sparring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijaInvi1tU
king mo sparring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iqHHiH5Kcs[/QUOTE]
where are these guys and gyms hiding anything???
[QUOTE=Frost;1246491]where are these guys and gyms hiding anything???[/QUOTE]
They are certainly showing you what they want you to see.
[QUOTE=Frost;1246490]where did ronin or i say we wanted to see coaching, we said sparring clips [/QUOTE]
There is a really easy way for you to see sparring if you actually want to.
This constant demand for satisfaction through clips makes you sound like a petulant baby demanding that daddy brings what he wants, lol
[QUOTE=Graham H;1246354]I spar full contact with no protection. Were you implying that I don’t? 
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Yes, that’s exactly what I know.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1246361] My door is always open if people want to come and check me out! [/QUOTE]
OK, where is that?
[QUOTE=Graham H;1246369]Yes and the reason is, is because nobody can make themselves look as good in sparring as in the forms or chi sau! If we all looked great and had no ego the net would be full of them. Nobody wants to look bad! It’s human nature.[/QUOTE]
Apparently the people you claim were “…just jumping forward and backward in straight lines chain punching the air…” didn’t seem to share your opinion.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1246377]Yes and for both of us it’s only words. Where is your clip? What would showing a clip of each other actually achieve? You don’t know how hard I can punch. You don’t know how I would deal with you. You have no idea of anything and yet you think a clip would give you some idea. Who would my opponent be? A training partner? A student? Some guy in the street? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Silly man Frost![/QUOTE]
The silly man is the one who criticizes those with clips, yet is unable to post any of his own or even of any WC being done in a manner that he considers to be “good” WC.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1246399]Why the need to post clips from you guys like you are the ultimate judges of legitimacy in wing chun? I hear a lot of complaints about the arrogant attitude PB and WSL guys from the MMA contingent here but this demand for clips that meet your approval is also incredibly arrogant and off-putting.
I haven’t seen any clips from you guys of you fighting or even sparring hard. All I tend to see is clips of other people, usually MMA guys, that you approve of. Or clips of you guys gently grappling. It seems like a double standard applies
In my experience many people have clips of both padded and unprotected sparring but we don’t tend to put them on youtube for a couple of reasons.[/QUOTE]
When you criticize those WC guys with clips as not doing “real” or “good” WC, yet can point to zero evidence of any “real” or “good” WC being done full-contact, then that makes your claims bogus.
[QUOTE=Shads;1246451]WTF is pure wing chun??? let me guess your a JKD fanboy[/QUOTE]
Haha. That’s a good question. According to the WC practitioners here, only the WC they do is pure.
My definition of “pure” WC would be using the techniques that are done in training in things like Chi Sao and the Wooden Dummy in full contact settings against resisting opponents. The fact is, you will rarely see a smaller, weaker guy use any of those techs effectively against a larger, stronger opponent. Even a larger, stronger WC practitioner will not be able to use the majority of techniques that he practices when going full contact against a smaller, weaker opponent because most of those techs are not effective in full contact situations.
Full of sh1t as usual La Roux :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1246188]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS-PuD3iQiI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RhlVYYFk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7HIXHdpj04[/QUOTE]
What those clips do show are a good representation of a few of the many inefficiencies of WC:
1- Lack of head movement.
2- Minimal body rotation when striking.
3- Reliance on straight up the middle punching.
4- No clinching ability.
5- Not being able to use the majority of techniques done in training in pressure situations.