Four Thai kicking questions

Originally posted by Ming Yue
3. what meatshake said. Try a galvanized plumbing pipe.
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Originally posted by Blooming Lotus

I was thinking the same thing, but then you have the arguement about it causing bruised and blackened / dead bones etc.didn’t particularly feel like hearing the trolls this 'll no doubt result in, but what’s worse, the prospect of not being conditioned, or the repercussion from doing it??? :confused:

I deleted this post by mistake. Anyway, beating the shins is BAD. please do not chime in when you have no clue what you are talking about. It’s hilarious that you think WE are trolls…

When you roll the pipe down your shins it doesnt kill the nerves.
… That I know of…
It hurts like hell, strengthens the bone. Works really well. I have been doing it for about 2 years and I can bang shins without it hurting or feel the slightest touch. I also work my thai kicks on the bag, but theres sandbags in the side and they hurt like hell…

If you dont turn out the shin then you are just getting kicked on the blocking area rather then blocking the kick. Deflecting is even better. If your structure is really good, you can bounce people off your shield when you block their kick. Then you get a free hit or two from his flank.

As far as getting kicked in the toes, its better then the knee or ribs or face. Practice more. :wink:

:eek:

I basically only kick the bag and other people but a year or two ago I was conditioning with pipes etc.

Massaging bruises and other injurys, not only on the legs/shin from kicking, but all over the body is a good conditioning tip.

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I’ve always heard:

Rolling something on the shins: kills nerves but doesn’t condition the bone.

Kicking stuff (that’s not harder than bone): kills the nerves AND conditions the bone. Bones become more dense with impact. Wolff’s law. I don’t think rolling something on it classifies as “impact.”

So why have you guys heard that rolling is bad?

Originally posted by SevenStar

I deleted this post by mistake. Anyway, beating the shins is BAD. please do not chime in when you have no clue what you are talking about. It’s hilarious that you think WE are trolls…

rolling the pipe was exactly what I was saying and we have had this argument before… and came to the conclusion that iron piping ( no matter how galvinised( is causing long term damage…

the reason it’s meant to be bad, is because it plays / taxes like a shin splint scenario, which if you don’t take recovery time from exaccerbates the condition and compunds complications , eventually leading to deadened / black bone…

and because of your blatant disregard for the context and content of my post and your pathetic need to undermine to satify your stupid as*ed ego, YAH. I’m saying you’re trolling!!

thought intellegent debate / discussion was a big ask here! :rolleyes:

stick your thread..I’ll just go ask an expert!

( slamms door and heads to nearest iron -bod shifu)

IIRC the best exercise for shin splints is to raise and lower your toes repeatedly. You can do it while watching TV. Wonder if this would help?

now we’re talking discussion…

so you’re saying if a system / technique is damaging but you have a combat tech for those repercussions, it might worth doing anyway???

IMHO yes. My AC joint is screwed. I’ve been doing a lot of bag work lately. Is it good for my shoulder? Nope. But I don’t care. One day I’m gunna chop that fucker out.

BL, your sig is too long.

Ok, so rolling vs. hitting. Discuss.

Originally posted by blooming lotus
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and because of your blatant disregard for the context and content of my post and your pathetic need to undermine to satify your stupid as*ed ego, YAH. I’m saying you’re trolling!!

thought intellegent debate / discussion was a big ask here! :rolleyes:

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that’s hilarious coming from the biggest ego on the forum.

Originally posted by yenhoi
[B]If you dont turn out the shin then you are just getting kicked on the blocking area rather then blocking the kick. Deflecting is even better. If your structure is really good, you can bounce people off your shield when you block their kick. Then you get a free hit or two from his flank.

As far as getting kicked in the toes, its better then the knee or ribs or face. Practice more. :wink:

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good post.

rolling vs hitting - I’ve always been told that both are bad. hitting being bad is conditional though.

  1. If you are hitting something harder than your shin and it has no give - i.e. a tree - that’s bad.

  2. if you hit it to the point of bruising, it’s bad.

That said, I don’t do any special conditioning, other than kicking the heavy bag, thai pads and people.

well alot of schools have some sort of conditioning programme , particularly for any boxing type practice, for hand condtioning.

you’d think it’d be much the same, and resistence’d build the same way. If damage from that can be reduced by other means, guess you can’t really fault it, starting on something softer and working through to harder .

Ps: Iron: point taken and made

working to someting harder is fine (not necessary, but fine all the same), but how hard to progress to? Look at the knuckles pan qing fu had - IMO, that’s just not worth it. His hand is nothing more than a club. I heard that mas oyama couldn’t use his hand for much either.

I just did several sets of rolling my galvanised pipe up and down my shins between Friday night stomach and forearms workout. Surprising how much that light little pipe hurts after a while. I might keep it up for a month or so and see how it goes. It’s pretty easy to superset it with my other exercises since I use the pipe for my final forearm exercise anyway so it’s out on the couch next to me. The pipe only weighs about 8lbs, but I certainly felt it in my shins.

way back when, I also did the pipe but all over , like down arms and torso and jazz…very cool constitution builder if nothing else… yah.shins and feet hurt… but soooooo good!!! :smiley: :smiley: :stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile:

7: - I think what your saying depends on commitment. not everyone wants to be superman and like myself are just happy to pull something off that works…

cheers :wink:

I wouldent choose rolling over kicking. I dont think its needed as a supplement, and I dont know if its bad for you.

Just kick alot, all the time, people, pads, and bags.

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Talking about shin conditioning with a friend that does MT he pointed out to only condition as much as you need. When he was competeing he conditioned his shins heavily, but now he’s eased off alot. He can still take a helluva hit but not what he could in competition. In karate we kick the bag and roll sticks across the shins, yes we block alot with our shins, knees and feet. We use the same elbow to raised knee cover that MT does.

did he do any conditioning besides the norm? (pads, bag, sparring, etc)