how do you feel fitness wise?you seriously believe that 1or2 x a week is gonna maintain that for you? well very cool…but you should try on the fitness and endurance you get from maintaining over longer periods…you’re right…on low bf…it’s gts toey…maybe nxt round 
I’m not sure if it will or not. Would be nice though. If it doesn’t i’ll just bump it up again. Another thing is that I’ll be lifting 4 times a week instead of 3 next cycle and in semptember i’m going to start taking BJJ(twice a week)so i’m hoping that with all of that one or two times a week of running will be enough.
As far as how I feel fitness wise, I feel great. I have way more energy then I used to and I’m probably in the best shape of all the people in the ROTC at my school(thats not saying too much though).
“Maintaining” 5-6% bodyfat is a bad idea. It’s also very hard to do.
Why is it a bad idea? I have a friend who has an extremely high metabolism, guy eats nonstop, and hes been at 4% BF all of his life. He’s got way more energy than me and never seems to get tired or anything. Seems to be extremely healthy.
Iron, you are such an old school sceptic…i’ve gotta laugh…If it’s not in your book..it just doesn’t work and to hell with new information
don’t bother, no matter what you tell he knows better anyway…
Lucky we have you Iron or we might succumb to this nasty new concept of gaining insight
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
just so you know it’s not all satirical bombasism, I have extremely low bf most of time, am smaller than most of the instructors I know and out cardio/endurance them every time…( except my army recruiting officer…LOL…that dude one was fit mofo) …and usually without breaking a sweat…
^ :rolleyes:
Anyway, I’d be interested in seeing pics of you guys at “5-6%” bodyfat. It’s not that most people can’t get low bodyfat, it’s just that their estimate of the percentage is wrong. All the time I hear people say “oh, I was at 1% for this competition” or “yeah my friend gets down to 2.5% bodyfat for the stage.” Geez. No they don’t. You know who has 1% bodyfat? A cadaver. :rolleyes:
Guess what, if you’re calipers or scale tells you that you’re at 6% bodyfat, you’re probably not. If you bother to go get hydrostatically weighed in the big water tank and THAT tells you you are 6%, THEN I will listen to you.
This is what 5-6% looks like. Good luck getting there, much less maintaining that.
Viper555 said:
and hes been at 4% BF all of his life.
He must be pretty sick then. At 4% bodyfat you’d have all sorts of problems, especially if you maintained it for any length of time.
Anyway, I’m done.
Well he has been and he’s had no problems so far. He pretty much looks like the dude in the pic(not as big though) where you can see all the details of each and every muscle. It’s kind of annoying though that he doesn’t even have to work for it though.
I am at the moment post 3 hard mths sars-like recovery…and just getting back to full routine…but I do have a pic I dug up..just taking it easy in the pic…but you can (if you look closely) see my at the time very ripped mid. I stand by my comments and normally maintain ther-ish…but in fairness and for max health sake..I gotta admit…a small % raise and cushoin can be a very beautiful thing!!
I’ll be back with the snap 'ron
Originally posted by blooming lotus
but you can (if you look closely) see my at the time very ripped mid.
I’m sorry, did you forget to attach the pic or something?
Originally posted by blooming lotus
[B]beautiful thing!!
I’ll be back with the snap 'ron [/B]
…as in lateron
I’m a busy gal…you can expect it…
Oh. I misread your post as I’ll be “right back.” Oops.
ok one more…for arms sake and doing daughter justice
That you in the front? j/k. Full marks for having the guts (no pun intended) to post a pic.
tempted to delete it …but i’ll stand anyway;)
… remember though, it was for discussion on body fat and training methods…
Iron…I think now in considering antagonist vs agonist muscluar development in ab training, may explain earlier argument
I see you took down one of the pics.
Looking at the pics, and I can really only see your arms, you look like you’re like me in the sense that you couldn’t get fat even if you tried (knock on wood). Unless you’re anorexic, your low bodyfat level looks genetic (as opposed to being the result of a diet). I’m saying this in part because of your thin wrists and fingers. People who naturally carry weight tend to have thick wrists and fingers, regardless of where their body fat levels are currently at. Your anterior (front) deltoid is also visible in the bottom pic.
Anyway, about our previous conversation of what causes abdominal definition, in your case pretty much anything you do will allow your abs to show (since you can’t see them in the pic, I’m assuming they are visible since before you said they were), as you’re an ectomorph and have naturally low bodyfat levels. Basically, your abs are visible because of that, and not because of the ab work you do. So, if you do your thousands of reps per day, or even if you went down to 2 sets of 5 reps per week, they would still be visible.
And none of that changes the fact that high repetitions have absolutely nothing to do with fat loss or definition.
Iron…I think now in considering antagonist vs agonist muscluar development in ab training, may explain earlier argument
Which muscles are you referring to? Do you know what the antagonist muscle of the rectus abdominus is?
I’m at least impressed that you actually posted pics, which was reduced to a pic, because before you were all (paraphrased) “I’m a model I charge people to look at me (etc.)” 
I never said I charge them, I said they pay me alot to do it
High reps = cardio workout which speeds up metabolism, burns fat and leads to fat loss
Ps. Naturally low bf my A*s…LOL…Do you know how hard I work to look like that?!? Nice try though
Re : rectus abdominus & antagonist. To be honest…no..I can’t tell you the antagonist, however I’m pretty sure that because I train the way I do ( and this is what I mean by angles and varied vertibrae, speeds, range etc), I am hitting those antagonists every session and end up with more wholistic muscular developement? …and consequentially higher cross-muscular force generation and utilise more energy and muscular potential per kg…as oppose to straight crunches where dynamics are focus on tranverse with less angular range…???
Ps. 1st pic deletion was an accident (oops)
High reps = cardio workout which speeds up metabolism, burns fat and leads to fat loss
No. But you can keep thinking that.
edit - doing more reps is obviously more “cardio” than doing low reps, but doing a lot of reps of crunches or whatever can hardly be considered a “cardio” exercise.
Ps. Naturally low bf my A*s…LOL…Do you know how hard I work to look like that?!? Nice try though
Ok. I was just going by your arm. Most people with thin wrists can’t get fat. Or maybe you’re the exception.
You’re not hitting antagonist muscles to the abs by doing crunches. They would require seperate back work. I don’t know what your workout looks like.
I am hitting those antagonists every session and end up with more wholistic muscular developement?
If by “more wholistic muscular development” you mean “working more muscles,” then yes, you might be.
…and consequentially higher cross-muscular force generation and utilise more energy and muscular potential per kg…as oppose to straight crunches where dynamics are focus on tranverse with less angular range…???
Uh, yeah.
n/m. I just deleted a bunch of stuff that I wrote. Why don’t you post your ab routine and I’ll tell you if you’re working any antagonist muscles or not.
. 1st pic deletion was an accident (oops)
oooookay… not that it matters, but the small boxes you have to check to delete a post make it kind of hard to do so accidently.
Originally posted by IronFist
Most people with thin wrists can’t get fat.
I’ve got thin wrists ;). Your theory sucks :mad: :D.
Originally posted by Toby
I’ve got thin wrists ;). Your theory sucks :mad: :D.
Really? Ok maybe I’m totally off on that. That was just my own theory based on what I’ve seen. Most people I’ve seen who used to be fat and lost a lot of weight still kind have big wrists. Like if you pinch the skin on their wrists it’s still pretty thick as opposed to being mostly skin that you pull up.
I guess I was wrong?
No, you’re probably right. I know what you mean, anyway. I’ve got skinny wrists, but due to bone structure and genetics, not being skinny or fat. I’m not fat, really ;). BMI (yeah, I know) of 26.9ish.