[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1005267]I’m actually curious to see how this turns out on a national level. We already saw it in microcosm last year with Doug Hoffman in NY’s 23rd District. The seat had been held by Republicans for over a century. Dede Scozzafava was seen as not conservative enough, so she was pushed out in favor of Hoffman. The result was a victory by Democrat Bill Owens.[/QUOTE]
Scozzafava and Hoffman split the vote. If you add their votes together, it’s actually more than the Democrat got. And in that race, the Republican who dropped out actually endorsed the Democrat!
[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1005281]That’s precisely my point.. politicians who run like they are centrists tend to do better in the general election that people who hard to either right or left do.[/QUOTE]
Ronald Reagan disproved that. And he won two landslides, the biggest the GOP has ever won.
[QUOTE=1bad65;1005404]Scozzafava and Hoffman split the vote. If you add their votes together, it’s actually more than the Democrat got. And in that race, the Republican who dropped out actually endorsed the Democrat![/QUOTE]
That is exactly my point. The ideological purity test cost the Republicans the seat.
[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1005430]That is exactly my point. The ideological purity test cost the Republicans the seat.[/QUOTE]
Hoffman was not a Republican. He was a Conservative Party member. Had they nominated a conservative in the first place, rather than a liberal with an (R) next to her name, they would have likely kept the seat.
[QUOTE=1bad65;1005406]Ronald Reagan disproved that. And he won two landslides, the biggest the GOP has ever won. :D[/QUOTE]
Yes but even Reagan was not as far to the right as many in the present GOP squawk section.
FOX News and the GOP had a field day with Obama signing the nuke treaty.. but it’s the sort of thing Reagan did and spoke in favor of.
Again.. we will see come November. My suspicion is that the Demos will keep both houses by a narrow margin.
The more interesting question I would put to you is this..
ASSUMING the Demos keep 51 votes in the Senate after November (certainly within the realm of possibility I think you will grant) what are the chances of a change in the Senate rules to modify the filibuster privileges of Senators?
I’m curious.. what do you think is likely (assuming the Demos don’t lose the Senate by some freak electoral wave)
[QUOTE=1bad65;1005435]Hoffman was not a Republican. He was a Conservative Party member. Had they nominated a conservative in the first place, rather than a liberal with an (R) next to her name, they would have likely kept the seat.[/QUOTE]
Yes, he did run on the Conservative Party line, but he had enormous support from the Republican machine (for lack of a better word).
Former US Senator Fred Thompson
Former Republican presidential candidate Gary Bauer
New York State Right to Life Political Action Committee
Columnist Michelle Malkin
Columnist Bill Kristol
RedState
Talk radio host Mark Levin
Talk radio host Rush Limbaugh
Talk radio host Sean Hannity
Talk radio host Glenn Beck
Talk radio host Hugh Hewitt
Talk radio host Michael Medved
Talk radio host Laura Ingraham
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey
Representative Michele Bachmann
Former Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin
Former US Senator Rick Santorum
Representative Todd Tiahrt
Former Republican presidential candidate Steve Forbes
Governor of Minnesota Tim Pawlenty
James Dobson
Representative John Linder, former chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee
New York Post
US Senator Jim DeMint
Representative Dana Rohrabacher
Representative Tom Cole, former chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee
Representative Todd Akin
Representative Steve King
Representative Jeff Flake
Publisher Alfred Regnery
Conservative writer Richard Viguerie
Governor of Texas Rick Perry
Representative Mary Fallin
Representative Paul Broun
Representative John C. Fleming
Representative John Shadegg
Former Governor of New York and First Lady of New York George Pataki and Libby Pataki
Captain Scott O’Grady, United States Air Force (retired)
Mayor of Plattsburgh Donald Kasprzak (originally endorsed Scozzafava)
Representative Darrell Issa (originally endorsed Scozzafava)
Representative Pete Sessions, chairman of the NRCC (originally endorsed Scozzafava)
Representative Eric Cantor, House Minority Whip
Representative John Boehner, House Minority Leader (originally endorsed Scozzafava)
Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican National Committee
Former Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee
Representative Mike Pence, chairman of the House Republican Conference
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (originally endorsed Scozzafava)
Former Representative and 2010 Gubernatorial Candidate Rick Lazio
New York State Young Republicans
Assembly Minority Leader Brian Kolb
Former Governor of Colorado Bill Owens
Scozzafava was leading Owens in the polls 35% to 27% as of 10/1/08. Once Hoffman entered the race, that lead evaporated to 33% to 29% as of 10/15/08, in favor of Owens with Hoffman at 23%.
Now, would Scozzafava still have trailed Owens without Hoffman entering the race? I don’t know. Though it does appear that Republicans/Conservatives shot themselves in the foot by using an ideological purity test on Scozzafava. By running someone to her right, they lost the election.
[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1005452]Now, would Scozzafava still have trailed Owens without Hoffman entering the race? I don’t know. Though it does appear that Republicans/Conservatives shot themselves in the foot by using an ideological purity test on Scozzafava. By running someone to her right, they lost the election.[/QUOTE]
If they had nominated a candidate more in line with the outgoing Republican Congressman, they wouldn’t have had a 3rd Party candidate enter the race. Instead they nominated Scozzafava, who is more liberal than many Democrats.
I notice you have not mentioned the US Senate election in Massachusetts to replace the guy who killed Mary Jo Kapechne…
[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1005451]Yes but even Reagan was not as far to the right as many in the present GOP squawk section.[/QUOTE]
Yes he was. Can you name a GOP candidate nominated since Reagan that you consider further right? If so, how did he/she do in the election?
[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1005451]ASSUMING the Demos keep 51 votes in the Senate after November (certainly within the realm of possibility I think you will grant) what are the chances of a change in the Senate rules to modify the filibuster privileges of Senators?
I’m curious.. what do you think is likely (assuming the Demos don’t lose the Senate by some freak electoral wave)[/QUOTE]
If they keep control, I would not be surprised if they changed the rules to suit themselves. They have a history of doing this. They shot through a bill in New Jersey putting Lautenberg on the ballot well after the date to be on the ballot had passed because the current Democrat on the ballot (Torricelli) was facing corruption charges and behind in the polls. Also, they attempted to change the laws TWICE within 10 years in Massachusetts to benefit themselves in US Senate elections. First, they changed it to a special election to replace Senators who left early because they felt Kerry would beat Bush and they had a Republican Governor at the time (Romney). Once the Democrat Corzine became Governor and Mary Jo Kepechne’s killer got brain cancer, they tried to change it back to the Governor appointing the new Senator.
If the Republicans don’t take either chamber, I’m banned.
If the Republicans take both chambers, you’re banned.
If we take one and not the other, it’s a push.
You gonna put your money where your mouth is?[/QUOTE]
lol. money eh.
how much you got?
why do you make these emotional tantrums in print?
You chip away at your own credibility with this kind of stuff.
The problem with this is that I don’t trust you to leave and ban yourself. You don’t have that capacity for admission of wrong.
One can see that by simply reading through any one of your hundreds of blinders on neo-con ditto head diatribes that you lay down wherever you go.
Anyway, we’ll see how it goes, and in November, We’ll have a good laugh and see where it goes form there.
In the meantime, paxil man, paxil could be your friend! lol
[QUOTE=1bad65;1005463]If they had nominated a candidate more in line with the outgoing Republican Congressman, they wouldn’t have had a 3rd Party candidate enter the race. Instead they nominated Scozzafava, who is more liberal than many Democrats.
I notice you have not mentioned the US Senate election in Massachusetts to replace the guy who killed Mary Jo Kapechne…[/QUOTE]
Why would I? He didn’t force out another candidate who failed an ideological purity test. Which is what I’m discussing. I also didn’t mention Ted Deutch (D) defeating Ed Lynch (R) to take over Robert Wexler’s seat in Florida’s 19th District. Lynch ran an anti-Obama campaign (anti-HCR, anti-stimulus). He was crushed by 26 points (62% to 36%). Oh wait, I guess I did mention it.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1005477]The problem with this is that I don’t trust you to leave and ban yourself. You don’t have that capacity for admission of wrong.[/QUOTE]
You really want to go there? I can bring up many posts of mine where I admit I was mistaken.
I’ll contact Gene, and reference the ban bet in my sig so all can see. And MK is a mod too, he can ban me in Novemember if the GOP doesn’t win either chamber. I constantly speak of the rule of law, and being honest, no way I’d not honor my word. You’re copping out.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1005477]One can see that by simply reading through any one of your hundreds of blinders on neo-con ditto head diatribes that you lay down wherever you go.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1005479]Why would I? He didn’t force out another candidate who failed an ideological purity test.[/QUOTE]
My point is the upcoming elections. When an unknown takes a Senate seat held by Democrats for like 50 years in friggin Massachusetts, you know it’s gonna be ugly come November.
[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1005479]I also didn’t mention Ted Deutch (D) defeating Ed Lynch (R) to take over Robert Wexler’s seat in Florida’s 19th District. Lynch ran an anti-Obama campaign (anti-HCR, anti-stimulus). He was crushed by 26 points (62% to 36%). Oh wait, I guess I did mention it. :D[/QUOTE]
That’s a huge Democrat district. No one expected the GOP to win that one. But big name pollsters are predicting a huge win for the GOP in November. Just last week, Dick Morris predicted they would take both Houses of Congress. I’m almost certain they will win the House, the Senate will be closer. I believe they have to win 10 out of 11 Democrat held Senate seats up for grabs. They can do it, but it’s no way guaranteed.
[QUOTE=1bad65;1005488]My point is the upcoming elections. When an unknown takes a Senate seat held by Democrats for like 50 years in friggin Massachusetts, you know it’s gonna be ugly come November.[/QUOTE]
But a Democrat taking a House seat that’s been held by the Republican’s for over 100 years is not important? Alrighty then…
I’d also like to point out that, unlike you with NY’s 23rd and FL’s 19th, I haven’t made any excuses for the loss by the Democrat in Massachusetts.
[QUOTE=1bad65;1005488]That’s a huge Democrat district. No one expected the GOP to win that one. But big name pollsters are predicting a huge win for the GOP in November. Just last week, Dick Morris predicted they would take both Houses of Congress. I’m almost certain they will win the House, the Senate will be closer. I believe they have to win 10 out of 11 Democrat held Senate seats up for grabs. They can do it, but it’s no way guaranteed.[/QUOTE]
No offense, Dick Morris is a partisan hack, not a pollster.
I usually follow Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com. He’s usually pretty reliable.
[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1005492]But a Democrat taking a House seat that’s been held by the Republican’s for over 100 years is not important? Alrighty then…
I’d also like to point out that, unlike you with NY’s 23rd and FL’s 19th, I haven’t made any excuses for the loss by the Democrat in Massachusetts.[/QUOTE]
It’s not excuses, it’s facts. The Republicans didn’t even run a candidate in the New York race. She dropped out. And more votes were cast for her and Hoffman then for the Democrat. And that Florida race is in a dark blue district.
[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1005492]No offense, Dick Morris is a partisan hack, not a pollster.[/QUOTE]
For who? After all, he worked for Bill Clinton and now works for FoxNews. Sounds balanced to me.
And he has worked as a pollster and a campaign consultant.
[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1005492]I usually follow Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com. He’s usually pretty reliable.[/QUOTE]
Then encourage him to bet me. If you guys get rid of me, you will have cut the number of conservatives on this site by about half.
[QUOTE=1bad65;1005514]It’s not excuses, it’s facts. The Republicans didn’t even run a candidate in the New York race. She dropped out. And more votes were cast for her and Hoffman then for the Democrat. And that Florida race is in a dark blue district.[/QUOTE]
LMAO!!! She was forced out. Perhaps if all of those people who decided to back a third party candidate (instead of enforcing an ideological purity test) backed her, the Republicans would have retained the seat.
Wouldn’t it have been better to have someone who supported some of your goals in office as opposed to someone who supports little to none of them?
And the fact that Hoffman ended up splitting the vote proves my point. Enforcing ideological purity cost them the seat.
[QUOTE=1bad65;1005142]"ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, ****phobic and moronic.
[QUOTE=1bad65;1005482]You really want to go there? I can bring up many posts of mine where I admit I was mistaken.[/quote] do it!
I’ll contact Gene, and reference the ban bet in my sig so all can see. And MK is a mod too, he can ban me in Novemember if the GOP doesn’t win either chamber. I constantly speak of the rule of law, and being honest, no way I’d not honor my word. You’re copping out.
obeying your ridiculous challenge which really amounts to a control/ego issue with you as an individual isn’t me copping out, it’s you being weird. lol Huge difference!
WTF is this supposed to mean?
I think it’s pretty straight forward.
But I could say it again. You come across as a neo-con ditto head who blathers out diatribes all over the place, chooses what to speak to, does not choose to answer for deliberate answers and often seems to hope that the more erroneous postings he makes sink to the bottom and get forgotten before he goes on another partisan tirade filled with bile and vitriol.
In other words, politically, I have no respect for your mind, or your position.
You may hold that opinion yourself of me. It matters not, BUt I’m really not interested in playing your chest puffing games of ban promises and other infantile gilry games on a freaking forum. lol so lame dude!
