[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1245339]While I can see where thai pads would be useful in some scenarios, they do not work well at all for what I described above. Focus mits are smaller, lighter, and you can move faster with them to give the student far more pressure & challenge.[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I’m talking about…
All the different pads are useful since they permit you to practice and sharpen your wing chun tools. One thing we’ve done is take Mayweather’s pad idea and there are some good YouTube tutorials on it and adjust it to use wing chun actions.
[QUOTE=tc101;1245382]All the different pads are useful since they permit you to practice and sharpen your wing chun tools. One thing we’ve done is take Mayweather’s pad idea and there are some good YouTube tutorials on it and adjust it to use wing chun actions.[/QUOTE]
Now that id like to see
what characteristics “for a WCer” specifically do you think MT pads fit?
It might sound funny, but i find the MT pads brace a lot better and properly held feel a bit like a wall bag full of beans, it mush jarder to get that feel on mitts IMO
The WC punch has a short range of power and i find the pads better to train this than the mitts… call it personal choice.
Sure, you can probably work mitts quicker and better for combinations but IMO WC isnt about combinations, its about straight line punching, getting his COG and finishing the job. Its not boxing and from a WC point of view im not looking for combinations… im looking to finish the job quickly
Ozzy Dave put up my favourite description of WC (wish i could find that post), it went something like “WC is an ambush style, the confrontation starts , you occupy the centre and overwhelm with unsuspected straight punches”
Or something like that… and with that in mind i find the MT better
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1245342]Exactly what I’m talking about…[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and when we work mits, we’re not just holding a static target for the student to strike, we are ‘popping’ the mits most of the time and giving force feedback and structure tests in every shot. It’s a lot different than just holding up a MT pad for a student to wail away on. Again, that’s got it’s time/place as well, but a bit limiting when building WC skills IMO.
[QUOTE=tc101;1245382]All the different pads are useful since they permit you to practice and sharpen your wing chun tools. One thing we’ve done is take Mayweather’s pad idea and there are some good YouTube tutorials on it and adjust it to use wing chun actions.[/QUOTE]
What do you think Mayweather padwork is developing?
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1245417]Yeah, and when we work mits, we’re not just holding a static target for the student to strike, we are ‘popping’ the mits most of the time and giving force feedback and structure tests in every shot. It’s a lot different than just holding up a MT pad for a student to wail away on. Again, that’s got it’s time/place as well, but a bit limiting when building WC skills IMO.[/QUOTE]
Who is “just holding up a MT pad for a student to wail away on”?
[QUOTE=guy b.;1245482]Who is “just holding up a MT pad for a student to wail away on”?[/QUOTE]
The weight difference can feel like that. In reality you can do almost the same things with both. Kicks, knees are the why for MT pads.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1245482]Who is “just holding up a MT pad for a student to wail away on”?[/QUOTE]
I don’t know, people that have little understanding of how to develop skills with pads/mits? I’ve seen it done, and you can find plenty of examples on youtube. But to be fair, I don’t think that’s all you do with MT pad, and what I said might have implied that. So maybe I should have said ‘pad’ in general, because one can just ‘wail away on’ any of them I guess. 
It looks like Ernie Barrios has put in a lot of time developing some great mitt drills.
Personally I’ve always used mitts in my training. You can really work a lot of things - structure, angles, footwork, timing. Sky’s the limit. Just got to go about it intelligently and creatively.
Like JPinAZ I prefer the smaller focus mitts.