How many of you on this board actually train the way you claim? How Many of you who train with "
Famous teachers" are making progress? If you don’t
atleast train with a teacher a minimum of 3x a week and see them every 6 months, forget good,
can you reach a level of proficiency?
And one last question. A lot of you people talk about the correlations between Ba-Gua and the I- Ching. Does anybody on this board know about the Song’s? the 36 and the 48? Does any body use them
in thier training?
These Questions have been asked because my classmate and I have been away from the boards for a minute, but sometimes we get a chance to look in and we’re seeing some things coming out of certain camps that should’nt be said. Why because we’ve meet some of the people from those camps. And they had nothing.
This is bad.
I’m talking about people who have suppose to have been training for over 6 & 7 years who can’t stand
up to beginners with less than 2yrs training with no previous training before learning with us.
People are nipping bits and pieces of the various post and creating thier fantasy experiances and are claiming knowledge. Not out right saying this,
but by the way they are writing you’d think so.
So those of you who know please answer the questions. the rest of you, stop Frontin
Actually Maoshan if you could point me in a good direction to sources of unquestionable reputation on the Songs of Bagua that would be great. My teachers only really spoke from YiJing and so that what I have to go on and make work from that, however I’m totally open to expanding Bagua knowledge and has Razak tells me you guys are the “butters”.
-Kevin
The circle will always be, but you alone decides when it starts and where it ends.
What’s up with you?
How do you come to this conclusion.
Personally I think i’m crap in comparison to what
i want. make it clear.
Kevin:
There are two books in english that contain the song’s
Liang Shou yu’s and Li Zi Ming’s.
From my research Li Zi Ming was handed the original and that’s the one I subscribe to.
“Liang Zhen Pu Ba Gua Zhang” Translated by Dan Miller.
Virus fist:
What’s up with you man?
You can’t get over it or something. Study the topic indepth and maybe you’ll understand or maybe you did and can’t handle the truth. Ether
way you playin yourself with the walking encyclopedia crack. can you deny anything i’ve posted? If so, Bring the noise. Better yet let’s meet. Were Martial Artist let’s handle it as such.
Now with the exception of Kevin, can anybody answer my questions?
I was looking through Liang Shou Yu’s book (at the Songs of Bagua) a while ago and it really helped open my eyes- my sifu doesn’t speak much english so often he’ll tell me to do something (for example, hollow the chest, round the back, lift the head…) but I won’t understand why, or the importance of it. Likewise, sometimes I’ll be unable to differentiate between the very important and the not-so in what he teaches. However, reading the Songs, it really helped me to understand the ‘whys’ of many things I was doing, and the importance of them. It’s hard for me to remember specific examples now, but generally speaking it helped clarify, among other things, the importance of all the walking ‘principles’/body mechanics for allowing full chi flow and accumulation.
Are you saying that in order to be good one must train at least 3 times per week and see a teacher at least once every six months? I wasn’t clear on that-
The Question was posed toward those who claim a teacher that they see only at seminars.
A minimum of 3x a week over a considerable amount of time is the proper method to gain some proficiency. One day or week every 6 monmths is impossible. what you get is a demonstration of what you could be if you had regular contact with a teacher. The only one who would benefit from such an arrangment would be someone with a solid foundation. and in that style not any other such as an external ( tiger, Mantis etc..).
VF:
You don’t want Beef? fine with me.
But let’s get something straight.
Weather your invisible or not makes no difference
you could never sneak up on me, and i don’t play push with strangers.
Weather your alone or not makes no difference as i’m sure you know i’m not alone either.
As far as not knowing what hit me. Unless you shoot me, “Ain’t no such animal”
Now, as you said, let’s be friends and kick some knowledge. Bickering on the net is dead.
Can you tell me what you know about the Songs
or responed to the questions I asked?
Hey I see that Maoshan has provided us with another great topic of discussion. Well I can’t much at this topic at the moment because I’m going to be in Beijing, China on Jul 3. I will do extensive study on Pa Kua Chang and Hsing-I at the captial of Pa Kua city (just a phrase). So when I get back in two weeks I’m going to light this board up like a Christmas tree on fire…I will provide as much information as possible to help all us in our studying of pa kua chang. I will update www.blacktaoist.com if a lot of information and pictures. I’m going to look into China’s opinion of our so called Pa Kua Chang masters in the USA and I’m going to talk about my favorite topic…using Pa Kua Chang in fighting…
OOOOOOOOOOOO man I’m going to bring the pain!!!
I’d like to say whut up to Kevin aka the big toad!!! I will see you guys later!!!
This is not going to help much,the only reference that I have about the songs,is the book that you mentioned before.
The song and verses are a great tool for research and guidance about the principles of the art.
Personally,I don’t use them regularly in my training,we have different formulas and methods,to remember the fundamentals.
In my view,as your training advances ,you will get a deeper and better understanding as you read them.
About how often should you see your teacher?.
There are many variables on this one,but I will say whatever it takes for you to learn, or depends what do you want to learn and how much you are willing to invest.
Teacher and students come in as many variations as there are ways to cook chicken.Everybody learns differently.
You can correct a student every day and still he doesn’t get it,yet you have another one that you see twice a month and he makes progress.
It this because of lack of instruction or that the student didn’t practice enough or pay attention.
What up Maoshan…this is Razak da mind boxer. Myself and the rest of the Brothers of Wudang have landed safely in Beijing, China and everything is ok!!! email me at razakdigital@hotmail.com so I can chat with you!!!
Razak! Have fun in China can’t wait for you to get back and watch you light this place up!
Maoshan: Thank you for the book recommend, its on order as we speak.
Virus:
>>Fourth, I will not be alone, you will not see me coming or what hit you, until it is too late, I am a virus, remember? And that is the way I fight.<<
Can this get any more cowardly? Fight like a virus? Try lowly worm or parasite.
I know what happens to people who come after me like that. They end up tied to a heavy stone in some lonely backwoods Idaho Lake.
The circle will always be, but you alone decides when it starts and where it ends.
Your romanticism could be detrimental to your health.
I will answer this just once.
You can call me any name you want,but parasites,worms and virus are masters at fighting for survival,and they can teach you a few lessons,(even if you are a Toad).
I fight only if my life is in danger,and I play to win.I don’t fight for sports or to prove something to anybody or my ego.
Now,probably you are to young,watch to many kung fu movies or are an aspiring poet,just be realistic,come down from the mountain and look at the reality of conflict.
You can open your mouth and live in fantasy land all you want,no matter who you are or pretend to be,if sombody wants your butt,real bad,they will get it and they are not going to let you know it before they do it.end of story.
keep on dreaming baby,and just in case stay out of trouble,there are a LOT of viruses,worms and parasites out there ready to test you,(actually they are fighting with you every day)hope you make it to old age.
Well, bring it little man, I make myself very, very easy to find.
To state a really CHEESY movie quote “You maybe the cancer but I’m the cure.”
I am the Big Toad and I eat worms and parasites for breakfast.
Nothing overly romantic about having to mop up leftovers..other then it gets me a little aroused.
If your willing to bring your ugly sickness just to see what happens then thats cool. I’m an e-mail and trip to Boise away.
Other then that I’m NOT going to “type battle” some Internet geek making threats upon me, maoshan or anybody else..and with that.. My on-line correspondence with you is over in all its
toad-tality…
The circle will always be, but you alone decides when it starts and where it ends.
How are you? I’m posting from Beijing, China … a Pakua fighters dream !!! Let me tell you dont’ waste your time on cats that talk…let me tell you in the short time I’ve been here with there Brothers of Wudang I can tell you cats in the U.S. got nothing…so far they have proven me right so far…keep ya head up … don’t worry about jack…see ya …
Hope the weather is fine in China and you are seeing some really good SHlT. A word of caution though. In my contacts with students and teachers in Taiwan and in China I have heard such BS that you would think there are no good teachers here in the US. At the same time displaying a limited knowledge and many misconceptions of bagua itself. There are exceptions to everything in life and I’m sure your teachers have brought you to a good source, but keep an open mind. Some of the things I have heard are negative comments about Americans who come to China for a short time to learn and go back to the US to teach after being shown bogus things. Don’t forget, there are also many Chinese teachers living here in the US who teach as well as some Americans who have lived over there for 10 years or more to study. It’s not all bad! What’s your daily practice/training routine like? Take everything you can and bring it back here and share!Ë™
Anyway, “You Kungfu no good!”.
What are you learning?