Fight Science
http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/channel/fightscience/index.html
Watching it right now. WTF was that double kick from the Kung Fi guy?
Never saw that in KF.
The Muay Thai guy cheated because he pulled the target into his strike. Not a fair comparison IMO.
So far interesting but not impressed.
[QUOTE=Yao Sing;699960]Watching it right now. WTF was that double kick from the Kung Fi guy?
Never saw that in KF.
The Muay Thai guy cheated because he pulled the target into his strike. Not a fair comparison IMO.
So far interesting but not impressed.[/QUOTE]
KF guys always look super gay in these things..that kick and even his punch were gay.
Dan Inosanto cameo…nice.
TUG,
Where did you see “Fight science” online. Not all of us have cable, so don’t hold out. 
Darn, I just saw your thread now and I didn’t know the show came on tonight. Did you watch it? How was it?
How was it?
Total BS … I think its been on before…
the show was eh boring
but it did show how boxing, muay thai and grappling are stronger styles than kung fu, karate and tkd.
which technicially is MMA
I thought the first part of the show was entertaining. No real conclusions could be drawn considering the participants were of unequal weights. They also crowned the ninja king of the MA’s because he could balance on plum flower poles (and was coincidentally the only one who had to appeared to ever train on them previously) and could hammer strike the chest with a good amount of force.
It was still cool to see the kinetic linking broken down into that graphical representation though.
The thing that bugs me about these martial arts shows that have been popping up, is that kung fu is so generalized. The kung fu practitioner punched like Bruce Lee, not like a Shaolin Monk (for example) who could probably crush someones face with a straight punch. There’s a lot more hip twisting and follow-through than what that guy did. It just bugs me because people who don’t know any better assume that all kung fu is the same when they see these shows. It kind of makes kung fu seem weak or inferior to Karate or Tae Kwan Do… any of the more popular styles in the states.
I can’t wait for the day a fan of Shaolin, who is also a filmmaker, makes a documentary or TV special on Shaolin Kung Fu.
[QUOTE=hjt;700051]the show was eh boring
but it did show how boxing, muay thai and grappling are stronger styles than kung fu, karate and tkd.
which technicially is MMA[/QUOTE]
Actually, it did not show that. They commented on advantages and disadvantages of all the styles involved.
There was clearly an agenda to promote style vs style BS. They could have had MUCH better Karate and Kung Fu guys. I giggled when I saw the punch measurments, I know a few guys that can throw twice the power (2000+psi) of any of the demonstators on the documentary…
But trying to use the information presented to determine which style is the best?
Rediculous!
[QUOTE=QuaiJohnCain;700075]Actually, it did not show that. They commented on advantages and disadvantages of all the styles involved.
There was clearly an agenda to promote style vs style BS. They could have had MUCH better Karate and Kung Fu guys. I giggled when I saw the punch measurments, I know a few guys that can throw twice the power (2000+psi) of any of the demonstators on the documentary…
But trying to use the information presented to determine which style is the best?
Rediculous![/QUOTE]
First, it’s ridiculous.
Second, it suxord. Who was the karate guy? Who was the kung fu guy? The MT fighter would have eatne most of the other people for a post-workout meal.
Garg.
I’m assuming the director called ISKF on whom to call for the show…
I saw a wushu expert being comapared to a serious boxing instructor, and a world class Muay Thai boxer…
hmmmm… ??? A wushu guy who plays at gymnastics (with tinfoil weapons thrown in to boot ) being compared to guys who are legit competitors…lol… not a fare comparison … The TDK guy with all is muscles seem to look no more convincing than the Wushu guy…IMO…
The one who got down played the most was probably was the most deserving… Rickson Gracie…and jujitsu
hey …I know…said in my most sarcastic voice possible…………….
… "let’s do a show called “Fight Science” and give the art and the man out front of the art (that very art that has caused a revolution in the world community) less time than any other art on the show… I think less than five min..he was on…what BS!!!
And for fun we can throw in some Wushu weapon play by clueless gymnast. bouncing all over the mat… nice…
p.s…
I was waiting for the techno music and glow chucks to come out…
any moment…I thought to myself…
[QUOTE=QuaiJohnCain;700075]Actually, it did not show that. They commented on advantages and disadvantages of all the styles involved.
There was clearly an agenda to promote style vs style BS. They could have had MUCH better Karate and Kung Fu guys. I giggled when I saw the punch measurments, I know a few guys that can throw twice the power (2000+psi) of any of the demonstators on the documentary…
But trying to use the information presented to determine which style is the best?
Rediculous![/QUOTE]
I’d like to see some evidence to back this up on equipment as reliable as that used for this show. Somehow, I am doubting that it will ever come to fruition.
[QUOTE=hung-le;700079]I’m assuming the director called ISKF on whom to call for the show…
I saw a wushu expert being comapared to a serious boxing instructor, and a world class Muay Thai boxer…
hmmmm… ??? A wushu guy who plays at gymnastics (with tinfoil weapons thrown in to boot ) being compared to guys who are legit competitors…lol… not a fare comparison … The TDK guy with all is muscles seem to look no more convincing than the Wushu guy…IMO…
The one who got down played the most was probably was the most deserving… Rickson Gracie…and jujitsu
hey …I know…said in my most sarcastic voice possible…………….
… "let’s do a show called “Fight Science” and give the art and the man out front of the art (that very art that has caused a revolution in the world community) less time than any other art on the show… I think less than five min..he was on…what BS!!!
And for fun we can throw in some Wushu weapon play by clueless gymnast. bouncing all over the mat… nice…[/QUOTE]
Give me a break, guy. The wushu guy wasn’t the best choice, but he was probably all of 135 lbs soaking wet and still managed to hit 2/3 as hard as the boxer. They also gave him props for his speed.
As for the Gracie’s, so what? What more could have been done to highlight grappling? They showed how obscene amounts of pressure are applied to weak points. Did you want them to do a neck crank, choke, arm bar, knee bar, heel hook, bicep slicer, etc? Considering they’d be the only ones doing it, it would take away from the whole “multiple masters” aspect of the show.
Life is a lot better when you don’t go through it measuring and judging everything you see. It was an entertaining show at its base regardless of who was repping what style, what the extremely limitted and highly unscientific tests revealed, etc. It wasn’t made for a scientific look into the martial arts. It was made to entertain people who have little to no idea about them. Enjoy it for what it is.
fighting science
This is in regards to the Nation geographic fighting science show which they aired last night. It was a 2 hour special on the break down of how martial arts generates power as well as the damage it does to the opponent
Is it me or the show is just flawed.I mean Im no scientist, and I took
phsyics back in high school pass/fail
but the stuff they did seemed freaking flawed as hell
#1) the punch power okay, this $150,000 dummy can measure the power being
delivered, and in the end
the boxer punched the hardest, and the kung fu guy the weakest.unless they
didnt mention it further or I missed
it while the machine measured the forced impact delivered, did they not
calculate or factor in the size of each individual..
I mean the boxer was a huge guy at least 200+ lbs, while the kung fu guy
looked like a single ramon noodle with a kung fu shirt on maybe
about 135 on a wet day. And, by the way, did they have to pick a wu shu guy,
for crying out loud, wu shu people have no power, theyre liking
jumping gazelles before the lions pounce on them. I mean isnt simple
caluclation invovle f = ma (mass and accelertaion). Oh by
the way watching how the kung fu guy, he was toast saw him trying to tense
up and use muscle at the end to generate power.. Duh
I mean I was watching little league baseball, and they have 2 measures of
throwing power they have the actual speed which is
like 68 to 70 mph and then what it actually translates to in the big leagues
which is like 90mph
#2) Kicking power this was just a gay expereiment again Youve got
kawate, (hehehe) tae kwon do, kung fu (uggh flying double kick) that
wouldnt even knock over michael jackson so they all do their kicks and so
far the tae kwon do is the strongest.. but wait.. Muay thai is better
why, coz hes gonna do a knee??? WTF??? Thats like comparing apples and
oranges Why dont you compare the powers of a shot gun vs. a bb gun
that didnt even make any freaking sense If thats the case, why not let
the thai guy throw a freaking elbow for the punch in the very first test
#3) Reaction this is actually the 4th test, not gonna talk about the speed
(oooh kung fu fastest, and hits like mosquito bites).. anyway they had
a machine that the tae kwon do guy would react to and he would have to hit
the pads everytime the lights went on.. The premise was they mentioned how
do marital arts master seem to move before the opponent, its because unlike
regular humans they react so much faster. This could be even the gayiest
of all the test Coz reaction speed is such a useless and dwindling skill
why not get the reaction of a tae kwon do guy whose freaking 60 years old
made it look like the
tae kwon do guy was super fast.. NOT guys test on reaction based on eye
hand coordination.. Ill take the bet of a 14 year old kids eye hand
coordination playing
the hardest level of Dance Dance Revolution video game VS that tae kwon do
guy any day, and therell be no contest..ugggh, reaction what a useless
test on ability to move before the opponent
#4) finding center so they get a stroke ninja guy who can balance on these
plum flowers all the other martial artist were falling off left and
right.Uhhh, let me guess the ninja is the ultimate in balance.. uh, really
gay test, Ill take some circuis solei dude or girl and put them up against
this ninja, and the demonstration of the di-mak hit to the soler
plexes.eeeeeek Who conducted these experiements
#5) breaking Even more useless, but the worst demonstration, was having
this guy do a shoulder ram through 10 long stacked bricks. Uhhh, oooh
martial arts.. the guys freaking 275lbs running at full speed through wimpy
bricks.. for crying out loud, should I be impressed with this. Thats like
me lifting 10lb dumb bells and bragging about it. Who cares I mean whats
more impressive the elephant who moves a large object or a little ant that
can carry like 10 to 20 times its size what was the point of all this.. Why
not just get hulk hogan and have him punch erkel in the face, thats
impressive.
Anyway the best part of the show, was how the body reacts to the pain.. that
was cool
the 2nd part of the show was about weapons..yada, yada, yada
[QUOTE=Ford Prefect;700086]Give me a break, guy. The wushu guy wasn’t the best choice, but he was probably all of 135 lbs soaking wet and still managed to hit 2/3 as hard as the boxer.
I’m not knocking the guy… I said it wasn’t a fare comparison…but I could have picked any number of CMA guys that would have qualified better..
Rather than try to legitimize the art of Wushu by comparing Wushu boy up against real martial arts competitors which only made him look wanting in the prowess factor
As for the Gracie’s, so what?
So what?..So What??? You must be living in a cave… Or you are the show’s producer…right?
What more could have been done to highlight grappling? They showed how obscene amounts of pressure are applied to weak points. Did you want them to do a neck crank, choke, arm bar, knee bar, heel hook, bicep slicer, etc?
Well let me see…they highlighted hokey Ninja cat walking skills and Wushu boy and girl twirling tinfoil broad swords and fake spears (to include TKD man with his fake jo.) ..and spent an hour of the show on testing nothing but strikes…considering what grappling has done to the martial arts scene in the last ten years… The shows title was hardly legit…dont ya think?
Life is a lot better when you don’t go through it measuring and judging everything you see.
How does one measure improvement? However Ill acknowledge that doing something for the sake of it being fun is a major plusand probably what drives us the most
It was an entertaining show
No it wasnt.. it was fiction
Enjoy it for what it is
Someone serves me crap I say so… I can’t help it if you don’t like my opinion…
[QUOTE=ZhuiQuan;700072]The thing that bugs me about these martial arts shows that have been popping up, is that kung fu is so generalized. The kung fu practitioner punched like Bruce Lee, not like a Shaolin Monk (for example) who could probably crush someones face with a straight punch. There’s a lot more hip twisting and follow-through than what that guy did. It just bugs me because people who don’t know any better assume that all kung fu is the same when they see these shows. It kind of makes kung fu seem weak or inferior to Karate or Tae Kwan Do… any of the more popular styles in the states.
I can’t wait for the day a fan of Shaolin, who is also a filmmaker, makes a documentary or TV special on Shaolin Kung Fu.[/QUOTE]
exactly…I agree..
Instead they go out and get Wushu experts (although some fight…most do nothing but gymnastics)
Or they go out and get Hollywood models who do martial arts/like that “final fu” crap…