Cyborg and other woman fighters are outliers. There are so few of them, that is the only category they fit into.[/QUOTE]
it doesn’t matter if they are currently outliers given the present involvement of female martial artists.they are still women. to even have a woman participate thousands of years ago, period, was an outlier too.. but times have changed. this is why i’m curious about the current sentiment and intention of chinese martial artists here.. and whether there is support.
that being said, i think the thread as moved far from chinese martial arts and focused excessively on sparring ability, fighting and brute strength (male vs female). i’m going to focus my attention back on the original thread.
If the goal of your school is to train fighters for competition, then I think there is some validity to the “women shouldn’t spar with men” rule.
If the goal of your school is to train people in personal self defense, they must if they are training to defend themselves against men. Same with weight classes, if your goal is real world self-defense, you don’t get to pick the size or gender of your opponent, so you shouldn’t train that way.
Once I was at a temple doing push hands with a hot female monk. I touched her nai nai by accident and I got a boner. I kept going high and she would do liu to contract and pull back into her nai, I think she liked it. Her nipple got hard.
[QUOTE=Razaunida;1105147]that is good, she must have had to overcome lots of conditioning.
Or she is low class and was never taught to be soft or refined.
The Tanya Hardings and Latina Cholos don’t count in my assesment of women fighting.
Just middle class white girls which is the majority of American ladies.[/QUOTE]
so, by your analysis…
– if they are feminine, soft, and refined (which by definition is tied in with less “ability” or “nature” to fight or take a hit).. that constitutes “femaleness”. since those females can’t fight, therefore they should not train with men.
– if they are strong and can fight, then therefore they are not truly ladies and are not women, and don’t count in the assessment of women fighting.
you’ve already defined the parameters to make your argument.
yes, yes, some of the posters here see women as sexual objects not as martial artists, i expected that. nice.
[QUOTE=Jian;1105156]so, by your analysis…
– if they are feminine, soft, and refined (which by definition is tied in with less “ability” or “nature” to fight or take a hit).. that constitutes “femaleness”. since those females can’t fight, therefore they should not train with men.
– if they are strong and can fight, then therefore they are not truly ladies and are not women, and don’t count in the assessment of women fighting.
you’ve already defined the parameters to make your argument.
yes, yes, some of the posters here see women as sexual objects not as martial artists, i expected to see some guys with that opinion.[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes, everyone is equal in la la land. Asians can slam dunk, Latinos get Nobel Prizes and Jews dominate in team sports. Oh what? This is reality!??! Thats not fair!
I was also talking about social class and culture. Middle class white women are not good at fighting.
[QUOTE=Jon_Ray_Brooks;1105154]If the goal of your school is to train fighters for competition, then I think there is some validity to the “women shouldn’t spar with men” rule.
If the goal of your school is to train people in personal self defense, they must if they are training to defend themselves against men. Same with weight classes, if your goal is real world self-defense, you don’t get to pick the size or gender of your opponent, so you shouldn’t train that way.[/QUOTE]
somewhat agree.
However, I would tend to teach much more deceptive and treacherous stuff to women and kids even in those circumstances. And NOT focus on male v female, brute strength vs non-brute strength etc.
I wouldn’t want a small women boxing a large man, I’d want her to make a short sharp shock and escape before she got done. Sparring in a kickboxing format? Not cross gendered. It’s not productive in a big sense.
Original post by RazaUnida:
I was also talking about social class and culture as I’m a known Elitist. I think Middle class white women should not be good at fighting because i won’t be able to control them like i’d like to.
sounds more appropriate
Personally, i feel a female should train to deal with strong men. they will need it when a man attacks them. but some men just can’t handle a strong woman. :rolleyes:
And Sifu Gus K’s student is HOT. i find a strong woman to be very sexy.
If you teach martial arts, you are looking for exceptional students. male or female. there is a large amount of guys that quit. if you find an exceptional individual, male or female, you are blessed as a teacher. these are the people you seek as a teacher. when they find you, teach them. everyone else, male or female, that cannot hack it, is just fodder to train on.
if you have a woman that is serious about training all the way, why hold them back and put them with women who arent? of course keep the women who dont want to train with men away from the men, but if a woman says i want to fight men, let her. otherwise dont train any women at all in any way.
Personally, i feel a female should train to deal with strong men. they will need it when a man attacks them. but some men just can’t handle a strong woman. :rolleyes:
And Sifu Gus K’s student is HOT. i find a strong woman to be very sexy. :D[/QUOTE]
I agree. Females should train to deal with strong men attacking them.
No, when i train females i train them to effectively defend themselves. i don’t expect them to go toe to toe with a man. its like man vs grizzly imho. but giving a female the sense of confidence to know she really can protect herself is a liberating thing for them.
At home, i randomly (and not too hard) try to smack my girl in the face when she’s not looking…sometimes with more than three strikes at one time. at first she hated it. next she started blocking them. Next she started blocking them without even looking. then i turned up the heat and she actually did a great job and protecting her face. then she would defend and fight back. I’d die laughing at her but the look on her face when she does well is priceless. and the confidence i see in her is amazing.
She thought i was bullying her only to realize i was training her to protect herself from hands she didn’t want touching her. (yes not even my hands hardy har..)
This comment on the You Tube page VOR posted speakes volumes on what many “Kung Fu” people believe.:rolleyes:
“Im sorry dont mean to be disrespectful but I hate seeing Kung Fu practitioners fight like kick boxers. If she applied the Kung Fu that she was taught then she would be cleaning house!”
Personally, i feel a female should train to deal with strong men. they will need it when a man attacks them. but some men just can’t handle a strong woman. :rolleyes:
And Sifu Gus K’s student is HOT. i find a strong woman to be very sexy. :D[/QUOTE]
thats because you are brown and want to liberate womens from the white man
However, I would tend to teach much more deceptive and treacherous stuff to women and kids even in those circumstances. And NOT focus on male v female, brute strength vs non-brute strength etc.
I wouldn’t want a small women boxing a large man, I’d want her to make a short sharp shock and escape before she got done. Sparring in a kickboxing format? Not cross gendered. It’s not productive in a big sense.[/QUOTE]
Actually we train men in treachery and deception as well.
