Can’t wait to see Midget MMA next…
So dude chopped of the sausage and now fights a bunch of girls? I don’t really think thats fair.
How did I know Lucas would comment on this thread?
lol!!! you have me pegged! :eek:
Now I know where
come from.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1216341]lol!!! you have me pegged! :eek:[/QUOTE]
At least you still have a peg!
Been there, done that, Brule…
[QUOTE=Brule;1216320]Can’t wait to see Midget MMA next…[/QUOTE] Not me personally, mind you, but there’s already a thread here and a websearch will provide more.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1216374]Now I know where
come from.[/QUOTE]
ya that is not a boy dog any longer. thats why snausages have the little pink tip sticking out.
lol, i was just coming here to check if this had made it here yet.
hasn’t the IOC been sorta dealing with this for decades as far as determining gender by chromosone’s?
I’ve not looked, and i’m not tonight.
An update
Good point about the IOC, Oso. This is a point of contention in many other sports. I guess that by this barometer, MMA has arrived. 
Dispelling the mischaracterizations of Fallon Fox
Mar 7, 2013 2:32 PM ET | By Melissa Isaacson
Transgender MMA Fighter’s License Under Review
Florida State Boxing Commission officials are reviewing the license of Fallon Fox after learning she is a transgender female.Tags: MMA, Fallon Fox, Franklin McNeil, Michele Steele, Transgender, Championship Fighting Alliance
If Brett Atchley could transmit sweat by phone, there would have been a fine film covering the earpierce. It was that kind of a day, the kind of hectic that one imagines could only be experienced by the agent of a transgender mixed martial arts fighter who just outed herself and was now trying to salvage her career.
It sure didn’t seem fair.
Rolando de la Fuente/Championship Fighting AllianceFallon Fox has a 5-0 record with all of her victories coming in the first round.
Less than a week ago, Fallon Fox was living her life the way she no doubt envisioned, as the woman she always felt she was born to be, enjoying and excelling in her sport as a fledgling pro at age 37. The next thing she knew, she was huddling with Atchley and his lawyer trying to figure out through whom and how they were going to tell the world that, before 2006, she was a man.
Earlier Wednesday, Fox’s fight promoter described her as “heartbroken” at the series of events following her knockout of Ericka Newsome 39 seconds into their bout in Coral Gables, Fla., on Saturday night. Jorge De La Nova, CEO for Championship Fighting Alliance, said Fox called him Sunday morning and apologized.
“Jorge,” Fox told him, “I’d go to the gym for the last six years and everyone treated me as a woman. I didn’t want to have to go around and tell everyone different.”
De La Nova said he never knew about Fox’s past. Atchley did and said he expected this day would come, but not necessarily in the way it did, when a “rogue reporter,” as he put it, who knew Fox from her previous life, began nosing around and asking questions after the fight. Atchley decided to go to another reporter, a longtime friend who writes for SI.com, and tell her that Fox had undergone gender reassignment surgery more than six years earlier.
They certainly should have expected the firestorm that followed, but De La Nova said he was a bit overwhelmed as calls from other fighters flooded his office.
“It has gotten to the point where some are saying, ‘I’m fighting her in the next round. Am I fighting a male or female? What’s the deal?’” De La Nova said.
By late Wednesday, according to Atchley, Fox had steeled herself and was “focused” on how to tell people her intentions. Or perhaps, better stated, what they are not.
“People are focusing on the MMA part,” Atchley said, “but to those of us inside her circle, the fact that she’s an MMA fighter is not important.”
What was important, they said, was to somehow correct the mischaracterizations.
“The contention for Fallon seems to be people characterizing her as dishonest and manipulating, that she somehow manifested her destiny by saying, ‘I’m going to have this operation and then I’m going to be a fighter and world champion,’” Atchley said. “I just posed this to [someone], that if a physician walked up to you and said, ‘I’m going to remove your testicles and ***** and this will take care of your cancer, what would you choose?’ He said it was a perplexing question. I said I knew what I’d choose. I’d take my chances against cancer. So the idea that she has an agenda [is ridiculous].”
The inner circle strategized, and what they came up with was that Fox would not do any more interviews until this weekend “on a major national platform,” according to Atchley, which will amount to a cable news channel’s Saturday morning programming.
Unfortunately, the task of educating people in a culture that still largely does not grasp the possibility that there are those among us born with certain predispositions over which they have no control will not be easy.
Foremost is this notion that it is unfair, because some would believe Fox’s opponents are still fighting against a man. And even in the medical community, you will receive different opinions. There are those who say estrogen therapy diminishes testosterone levels after about one year, and there is no evidence to suggest that transitioned athletes would be at an advantage or disadvantage over those non-transitioned men and women. Others contend that genetic testing will always detect birth gender and muscle mass, depending on the sport and age of the athlete, could be an advantage for someone like Fox.
While the Florida and California boxing commissions decide whether Fox’s license application is valid, De La Nova said he has no doubts about Fox, who is 5-0 as a professional, with all of her victories coming in the first round.
“As a promoter, obviously everyone who comes into my office, what I see is a fighter,” he said. “I don’t ask anyone what their sexual preference is. What they do with their personal life is not my business. She’s a sweet girl. … And where we stand as a company is that she’s a female. She has her [boxing] license in Illinois. She has an Illinois driver’s license [as a female]. She’s a female, and she’s definitely a fighter. I just don’t see how anybody can revoke her license.”
But just as Fox’s team tries to make their case, Newsome’s coach and manager is furious, “and not about what you think I am.”
Matt Hambleton is petitioning the Florida State Athletic Commission on several grounds, contending Saturday’s fight was stopped too soon. But he is far angrier at what he calls a series of deceptions by Fox and Atchley, as well as careless screening by the Florida and California commissions that allowed Fox to compete against his fighter without a valid license or medical clearance.
“Here’s a person who lies on their application – by saying you’re a healthy female with a normal menstrual cycle, you’re lying – who says she has a license when she doesn’t,” Hambleton said. "It doesn’t matter to me what background you come from, whether you’re black, white, gay, straight or transgender. When you step into the ring against one of my athletes with no medical clearance, you’re endangering my athlete, every other fighter out there and hurting the sport you say you love.
“And now,” he added, “I think she’s playing the woe-is-me card.”
Atchley said Fox’s lasting emotion Wednesday was “positive or negative, a great sense of relief.”
“Anyone knows when you carry something around and can’t talk about it, you will deteriorate mentally, physically and emotionally,” he said. “That, in and of itself, makes this a relief. She’s dealing with what came around.”
And odds are she has guaranteed she will continue to deal with it.
if ronnie coleman turn into woman, he would be undefeatable under heaven.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1216385]Not me personally, mind you, but there’s already a thread here and a websearch will provide more.
Dwarf Cage Fighting[/QUOTE]
I missed that one…Now i don’t want to know what’s next :o
not really random thoughts on it, but not a cohesive argument either
her genetic footprint will not change no matter how much estrogen therapy she takes.
i don’t think you can erase the basic fact that she was born male.
i think she will always have an advantage over women her same weight.
maybe make her fight both men and women her own weight class?
allow her to fight but against volunteers? don’t make it mandatory for another women to have to fight her?
I’m hoping for MMA with weapons…just like in the movies
[QUOTE=Brule;1217085]I missed that one…Now i don’t want to know what’s next :o[/QUOTE]
How about Battle Royales like WWE? Sixteen fighters in the cage! I saw a live 16-man Battle Royale once, back in the day. It was freaking sweet. 
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1217142]I’m hoping for MMA with weapons…just like in the movies [/QUOTE]
Dog Brothers.
Who let the dogs out?
That’s more like the Kimbo Slice of the MMW (mixed martial weapons) world.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1216329]So dude chopped of the sausage and now fights a bunch of girls? I don’t really think thats fair.[/QUOTE]
actually the sausage is not chopped off. the balls are..then the sausage is sliced in half and inverted to look like a *****(i filmed the surgery for a doc im working on..and just thought i should burn that image into everyone’s mind as it will forever be burned in mine)
now here is the thing..im a big supporter of gay rights, and the lgbtq community HOWEVER…i think she will have a genetic advantage over the other woman in her weight class. because her body will never fully suppress the amount of testosterone she uses..add to that the fact that most female fighters Use it anyways. but thats just a strength advantage… as we all know being strong doesnt make you a good fighter.. george foreman was WAY stronger then muhammid ali..and we saw who won that fight right? being born a man won’t make her a better skilled fighter. so let her fight.
its funny i started writing this thinking one thing.. but then i thought bruce lee and muhammid ali and many other great fighters who fought stronger opponents and won..and im like she doesnt have that much of an advantage.
so, she didn’t start mma till after her reassignment surgury…not sure what that speaks to
[QUOTE=doug maverick;1217806]actually the sausage is not chopped off. the balls are..then the sausage is sliced in half and inverted to look like a *****(i filmed the surgery for a doc im working on..and just thought i should burn that image into everyone’s mind as it will forever be burned in mine)
now here is the thing..im a big supporter of gay rights, and the lgbtq community HOWEVER…i think she will have a genetic advantage over the other woman in her weight class. because her body will never fully suppress the amount of testosterone she uses..add to that the fact that most female fighters Use it anyways. but thats just a strength advantage… as we all know being strong doesnt make you a good fighter.. george foreman was WAY stronger then muhammid ali..and we saw who won that fight right? being born a man won’t make her a better skilled fighter. so let her fight.
its funny i started writing this thinking one thing.. but then i thought bruce lee and muhammid ali and many other great fighters who fought stronger opponents and won..and im like she doesnt have that much of an advantage.[/QUOTE]
but, it’s still not apples vs. apples.
other side of the coin: does anyone think a transgenderd male (female to male) would ever want to fight against guys? i think the same genetics apply the other way: no one born a female will ever be as strong as a male of the same weight. (all else being equal: same training regime, etc)
…hmmm…why wouldn’t the drug protocols/hormone therapy that a transgender fighter has to be on immediatly disqualify them from fighting pro anyways?