everyone shows their stuff different, thats why it is martial ARTS. evryone has their own ideas or views. make it more interesting instead of seeing the same stuff eveywhere. i like to see the same style done in different ways.
Claudio Derenzo of BSL in Argentina also studied with Jerry Lee and Frank Demeria as well as Chen Kwok Wei and it is my understanding jery Lee is Hung Gar and not BSL. It is nice our style is spreading in the pampas, hahaha!!! 
peace
how much variation?
everyone shows their stuff different, thats why it is martial ARTS. evryone has their own ideas or views. make it more interesting instead of seeing the same stuff eveywhere. i like to see the same style done in different ways.
I agree with this to a point. For any art, you have to put yourself into it - you have to make it yours - to make it really ‘live’. Rigid copying of the masters serves only as an educative tool - there must be some variation from practictioner to practitioner, since practitioners vary. One shoe never fits all. But at the same time, there’s an essence that much be preserved in BSL or any other style for that matter. At a certain point, it becomes another shoe - a new shoe - sometimes a better shoe, sometimes a worse one. One of the least discussed aspects of evolution is that most mutations die - it’s not like the X-men. Most mutations (or ‘variations’ in our martial metaphor here) are weaker. With our generation, global communication is astounding - take this forum for example - and this is causing more mutations than ever. While I’m always happy to see distant BSL cousins with unique variations, the other edge of the sword is that I’m also seeing more crappy BSL than ever. This is happening across all styles to some degree, and I don’t foresee it decreasing - quite the oppopsite. The really tricky part where to draw the line…
claudio direnzo was jerry lee disciple for a long time and he learnt bsl from him as well as hung gar.
claudios brother (horacio) is chans disciple here and he was lees student at first
i can tell you bsl here is one of the most popular stiles
see you
My bsl is crappy and I have seen even crappier. So, I agree with G~
My other kungfu pwns though now that is has been thoroughly mixed with a heaping helping of mma, full contact sparring, ground fighting, boxing and a generally more intentful attitude as opposed to the mimicry it once was.
Yes I know I have seen many tapes from my Bro’s Claudio and Horencio. I like the way you guys perform BSL Down there!
David
My bsl is crappy and I have seen even crappier. So, I agree with G
Right there, that’s were to draw the line.
Line drawn, continuing on with live training and fitting my kungfu into it.
I would still like to get to know some more bsl where i am, unfortunately, there ain’t no one around here who has it. At least not that I am aware of, and I like to think of myself as aware of where the styles are at where I’m at.
I could use some tune ups on stuff I am not correct with mechanically speaking. 
Bah! The reasons for the differences is that YOU are all doing it WRONG! Only I have the TRUE Bei Sil Lum!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
Bei SHAOLIN…Bak SIU lum
See? Another one of your commonly accepted errors… 
My Teacher translates it as SHAOLIM. A middle ground between the Canton and Mandarin Shaolin/ Siu Lum.
called BAK SIU LAM MUN too.
hey any of you guys know what line Wu Chi Nyu comes from?
I got a couple of tapes of his and the forms are a little different from the ones i learned, but again, shape and essence and sequence is essentially the same even if there are one ofr two subtleties that are different.
David,
Is this the guy (or his student) who is selling BSL video tapes for $39.95 out of the state of Ohio? If I remember correctly, these tapes were once sold under one of his ex-students (who is also a medical doctor). These tapes were on BSL and originally came out before Sifu Wing Lam produced his own tapes. When I conversed with his student back in the 1970’s, he told me at that time that his sifu was hard to understand because he spoke only Chinese and Spanish. He is no longer in the USA but returned to his home in South America. This lead me to believe that Sifu Wu learned from Sifu Chan Kowk Wai but I could be wrong.
Since his sifu left the country, he wanted me to come out to visit him (plane ticket, room and board paid for) to finish teaching him the rest of BSL and make a new complete set of videos because at that time, some of the sets were mis-named and were, for some reason, cut short. I declined the offer because I had other commitments and I recommended that he call my classmate, Wing Lam who was teaching in Sunneydale, California. He eventually did and Sifu Wing Lam made his first set of BSL video tapes from this guy. Wing never liked these videos because at the time of the taping, he was not feeling well (he had stomach flu? problems) and did not perform the sets at his best. The taping was done in one day and Wing flew back to California the next day. As a result, Wing decided to re-do them and market them himself and so the rest is history.
You can buy these tapes but he does not sell the ones with Sifu Wing Lam in it.
Kaimen, do you reconize or know who this guy, Wu Chi Nyu, is?
I don’t know much about the tapes production company. Just that it is Wu Chi Nyu productions. The guys english seemed ok enough. I don’t see anything on them indicating they’re from ohio.
I can’t remember exactly what it was , but G~ implied there was something about these tapes that had somethiung to do with his sifu Wing Lam.
The execution of the sets are different than wing lams though.
Yeah, Wu Chhi Nyu has a little speaking part in English in the beginning of each tape. Just enough to get his message across. Currently the tapes are performed by either himself or by his ex senior students. It really sounds like the same guy. Maybe he’s back in the USA.
And yes their execution is different from the common BSL that we nornally see here in the Northern Hemishere. It’s the same but noticeably different.
these tapes are old, but yeah, I think we’re talking about the same guy.
so he’s one of Chan Kwok Wai’s students then?
I never really engaged him
I remember when Sifu Lam went out to film those, and you’re right, he wasn’t happy with them. I don’t think he realized what he was getting into, and signed into a bad contract. Those were the early years of video, if anyone can remember video so when the contract expired after 10 years, Wing Lam did his own series.
Funny, I have no memory of him being a BSL guy, but like I said, I never engaged him - I never met him or had any conversations with him. Wasn’t it WTN? Wu Tchi Nyu, or something along those lines? He had other videos too - some escrima, some other arts. He was really early in the video thing and built his company mostly on the fact that he was one of the first.
WTN productions…
To my understanding Woo Tchi Nyu (Brazilian romanization) was a student of Chan Kwok-wai’s that moved from Brazil (Sao Paulo) to the US (Ohio, I beleive). Woo’s senior student was Charles Duchaz (sp) a.k.a. “Dou Wan Chun” who is currently one of Chan Kwok Wai’s top students and has a school in California. He performed several sets for the video series.
I remember watching a WTN tape entitled “Tsa Kuen” (Cha Quan) that had a pretty interesting interpretation of the Si Lu Cha Quan.
WTN was based out of Ohio and if you look for IKF issues from the late 80’s early 90’s you’ll see his ads in there.