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I know just recently they had a guy get his knee blown out and another guy got his ribs cracked up pretty good there, so if you want to train hard its no joke. That being said, I personally find this combination tends to be present in schools that I see turning out good fighters, regardless of style:
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Cracked ribs is one thing, that’s pretty common. Knee blown out, that’s very bad.
Cracked ribs, broken toes, fingers, bruises, sprains, bloody noses, etc., are things that happen with rigorous apps training.
Broken arms, knees blown out, concussions, fingers in eye sockets, etc., that’s too much. You break your sparring partner like that, he probably won’t come back.
The thing is, rigourous apps training doesn’t have to be hurt all the time training. If it’s hurt all the time training, then you’re doing something wrong.
The problem with sparring these days seems to be that people have forgotten how to train without hurting their training partners all the time. So schools don’t do it anymore usually because they don’t want people to get hurt.
If you beat up your sparring partners too much, you’ll lose them.
Even MMA fighters train carefully because if they get messed up, then they can’t fight. Tito Ortiz talked a lot about that on the show when he was showing his training.
Yeah, I’d recommend staying away from a school that does what you describe because the people there sound like they’re out of control.
To each their own, I see your point of view as well. Nobody is trying to maim each other, but if you train long enough, and somebody comes flailing at you full intensity, muscle memory kicks in if you have been training right, and something bad tends to happen. It can be a valuable lesson on where you really are at, as well as letting you know how effective said techniques tend to be on a person with adrenaline in their system.
Dont know where the idea or mindset came from, but it can serve a purpose.
[QUOTE=Golden Arms;753008]Like I said Seven, depends on the people involved, but yeah we have, and I and a couple other guys I have worked with have the scars on our faces to prove it unfortunately. All target areas, including eyes, crotch, throat, etc. Generally the way it works though is the more advanced guy can use enough control to drop the intensity down for both, by for instance, slapping open hand an eye he can touch with his fingers, or pulling a chop to the neck that could have hit harder. If the person getting hit doesnt realize what is going on though and keeps turning it up, one person tends to get hurt. As a guy who has had a trained finger roll into the back of his eyesocket, it can be a learning experience.
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That is the definition of hardcore. I wouldn’t touch that. Not disagreeing, but if I get punched in the face I can assume that a finger jab could have been used and vice versa when I punch someone.
If someone does come at you out of nowhere, then yeah, I can see those reflexes being necessary.
[QUOTE=WinterPalm;753042]That is the definition of hardcore. I wouldn’t touch that. Not disagreeing, but if I get punched in the face I can assume that a finger jab could have been used and vice versa when I punch someone.
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That’s just bad with the eye thing. That’s so dangerous in fact, that I can’t really believe he’s practicing at a place like that, seriously.
GoldenArms, do they have a night where you can come see that stuff? Is that only at the Chinatown one?
San Shou/San Da Based- Sparring with head gear, boxing gloves, shin guards, gererally medium to heavy contact, throws and takedowns. Kickboxing style of sparring could fit in here also if there are no takedowns.
Continuous Based- Light to medium contact but without stopping after a strike is landed.
MMA Based- Sparring with head gear, light gloves or MMA gloves, possibly shin guards, takedowns and ground work are implemented. Medium to heavy contact.
Grappling/Rolling- Takedowns and groundwork but without striking. Can start from standing or knees but focuses mostly on the ground work.
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plus we occasionally set the lions upon the christians but only on fridays…
I’ve only don’e judo and bjj sparring lately (sometimes standing only randori, sometimes ne waza from knees, sometimes standing to ground), so 5 and 6 (clinching) I guess, I might go to the muay thai program at my gym over the summer.