[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1270796]Fair enough. And some could say KPM’s been doing that with me, even after he’s Ignored me (haha).[/quote]
If every post has a dig that is part of an overall flame war, it kind of proves my point.
And if you recall I posted on this thread in the first page and was part of the discussion prior to Hendrik, so technically he followed me. But seriously,
Ah, you are joking. And continuing a flame war. Double duty. Hm.
yes there are times I do call Hendrik out on what I perceive as BS and I admit I can go overboard at times or it gets things get heated. Sometimes warranted, sometimes not.
First, you almost always call him and others out, as do others. Second, it can be warranted in regards to who you are arguing with, but totally unwarranted in regards to the sort of discussion others may actually like to have that have nothing to do with it. You are making the decision to be part of it for them.
But if you notice, most of the time H is the focal point of a lot of the mess lately. Not saying he’s fully to blame or it excuses others, just pointing out the usual common denominator.
If H were gone, someone else would take his place, and things stay the same. This forum was this way before H.
Thanks.
No problem!
Not sure if you include me in this, but just to be clear - I only talk for myself. I also understand Minghequan’s take and for the most part agree with it. I just don’t agree with his method or relentlessness. But, everyone has a right to do things in their own way.
But everyone also has the responsibility to not have their junk mess up everyone else’s yard.
I tend to just skip past some of the longer the flame-war posts as I just don’t have the time to read them all. But unfortunately, some actual non-flaming posts with good WC perspectives get lost in the fires and this is a bigger issue imo.
Agreed, this is why good posters wasting their time on flame wars is silly.
I like John and respect his views even if I don’t always agree with him. I’ll admit, I do get the sneaky suspicion he does enjoy having a go with WC’rs here on occasion, and rightly so by the reactions he gets 
And yet, he almost always talks about actual kung fu. For all the talk about maximum efficiency here, I’m amazed at the expectation that flame wars cure the woes of Wing Chun.
To be honest, while I really do appreciate your intent, please don’t tell me what to do. Telling me to try harder is a bit condescending.
Agreed, but please don’t use the presence of members as an excuse to mess up threads others are enjoying. When you, and admittedly others, don’t make decisions for everyone on the tone here, then you have more to complain about, but since you do make those decisions by pretty consistently interjecting flame wars, then you have a lot more grounds to complain about being told what to do. I have never said one should never argue, but this is not one person’s forum, and if members insist on every time certain people say ANYTHING, no matter how innocuous, they continue a flame war, they are making decisions for others on what the forum will be like.
If you, as a reasonable member, cannot reign it in, then why would you expect arguing with people you consider crazy to be a rational approach?
I’m on you because you are one person who could have an effect on this. You don’t have to do what I say, but you don’t really have a leg to stand on if you endorse and take part in something that defines the forum despite the wishes of others here. You can be mad at me for it, that’s unfortunate, but I can take it. However, if this is gonna change, someone in each camp needs to break camp and be more forum member than holy warrior.
My goal is only to share my views based on my personal experience, whether or not everyone agrees with them - not to ‘get into flame wars’. If you haven’t noticed, that sometimes-more-than-not tends to just happen all on it’s own around here.
The forum is software, it does not continue flame wars. I see a tiny group basically persisting. That’s not causeless magic, that’s five people who want to argue. If the most reasonable among them would PLEASE break ranks, then it would be an even smaller number with a lot less reason to feel fanatical.
Again, John adds content and avoids detracting from it, and it works on the main forum. Sometimes, I understand that some things people say we will argue with. Every time? That’s making a decision on the tone of the forum for everyone, and even if what we argue with is totally wrong, so is using the forum and people’s time on it as a platform for what we wish to argue about.
And IMO, the only real way to avoid flame wars here is probably to stop posting here altogether. You do realize this whole thread is smoldering and you stepped right in the middle of it? 
First, when I started here, all the forums were pretty much like this forum, flame wars. This is the only one that is still just that. Guys like John are the reason. The brave troll fighters? They are trolling as well. I’m not expecting to avoid flame wars, I’m saying that the reason that they still define this forum is because a small group maintains that approach as the standard approach. If any good member decides they have better uses for their time, that seriously curtails the validity of the practice, as it has done on the other forums.
I appreciate your view. I never liked the term ‘group’, or placing people into them, as it unfairly categorizes/shoe-horns them where they don’t always belong.
True.
For example, I bet I have very different views on WC than some of the people in this ‘group’ you put me in, even if I do tend to be in somewhat common agree with them on the subject of Hendrik being full of, well, you know what (if it’s the Anti-Hendrik group you’re talking about)
Most of the arguing is between two groups, I think probably most on both sides are fine people who are not paying attention to either the effectiveness of their mode of argument, or to what anyone else feels about the whole thing messing up a forum they might want to discuss on. As for your views on WC, they are far more interesting than what you think of Hendrick. I’m not asking you to drive content like a job, but I would suggest that posts about Wing Chun without also being posts about flame wars might serve as a better proof and a more effective tact than the current one. I think it is very easy to fall into the trap of never considering whether the argument that I am involved in is so important that everyone needs to be involved all the time.
Not that I need to defend myself, but I’m pretty active in a lot of threads here and not all involve Hendrik. Well, they don’t up until a point, then they most seem to slide that direction and become the Hendrik Show (which I think he enjoys very much) whether I’m involved r not. But if I get caught in the fire and end up calling him on his BS, that’s my right - right or wrong 
And it’s other member’s right to point out that your wrong if you do it beyond a reasonable amount or if you feed the pack that agree with you and feed into their accolades.
And FWIW, I think it’s waaayyy more than 5 people ‘messing up the forum’. But I appreciate your views and will take them into consideration - thanks for sharing
I see five, maybe six, who are arguing on every thread. Do a count. Others may not be adding content, but only five or six are carrying on flame wars in pretty much every thread.