So, we all agree that this forum needs to change and that we have far too many issues and dramas here, correct?
I am asking for suggestion, your top 3.
Remember this is a thread started by a moderator and a sure fire way to get your ass banned will be to start drama and try to highjack THIS thread, understood?
Now, the EASY way would be to lay down the moderator hammer on this forum and apply zero tolerance to every and any thread based on the sole discretion of the moderating staff BUT I think that all here will agree that is not the best way and deep down I know you guys want this forum to be a great one so I am giving you guys the benefit of the doubt and allowing you to tell US what you think needs to be done.
First and foremost…require people to post in a respectful manner. No taunting and baiting. No name-calling. No lineage bashing. All of that simply leads to long drawn-out “b!tchfest” threads. We’ve seen it over and over. When someone is being rude and inappropriate, call them on it and point out that it is NOT acceptable behavior! If they continue to repeat that behavior after several warnings, then ban them for a short period. It doesn’t have to be a permanent ban. Just enough to get their attention. People should be expected to interact here just as they would in a face to face encounter in a public place where a certain level of politeness is expected.
Second…delete posts that are off-topic and are simply aimed at taunting or making fun at someone else and contribute nothing to the actual discussion.
Third…and I realize this one is a stretch and not likely to happen…but I would require everyone to use a real name so it is harder to hide behind the anonymity of a keyboard and just say anything you want. I think it seems more like a real conversation when you have a real named person to talk to and not a collection of letters or numbers, etc.
Clean up and/or delete multiple threads about the same topic (e.g. Hendrik posting about 7 bows, etc, in hundreds of different threads :))
Ban people who persistently resort to Sifu-insulting comments if an argument doesn’t go their way, or any name-calling that isn’t obviously meant in jest
I say ban anyone who doesn’t have anything or questions that’s a productive contribution to the conversation of the thread. I agree with Keith as well “No taunting and baiting. No name-calling” ban anyone who consistently post insulting or inflammatory posts.
Let me be clear that hurting another’s feelings and being an ass does NOT get you banned.
Banning offences:
Racist remarks
Accusations of slander
Menacing words and posts ( threats): I will kill you, Gonna kick your ass, etc..
Posting private conversations without permission.
Coming back after being banned under another name/ISP without staff permission.
We tend to give a warning first ( except for the last one) because sometimes things are misunderstood but after that, the hammer goes down.
Now, what I am going to start to do is give ONE warning when a post is made insulting another poster PERSONALLY ( not his views but him/her) and after that if the thread is not edited by the poster, I will delete it.
Of course time is finite so if I miss a post be patient.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1273138]Let me be clear that hurting another’s feelings and being an ass does NOT get you banned.
Banning offences:
Racist remarks
Accusations of slander
Menacing words and posts ( threats): I will kill you, Gonna kick your ass, etc..
Posting private conversations without permission.
Coming back after being banned under another name/ISP without staff permission.
We tend to give a warning first ( except for the last one) because sometimes things are misunderstood but after that, the hammer goes down.
Now, what I am going to start to do is give ONE warning when a post is made insulting another poster PERSONALLY ( not his views but him/her) and after that if the thread is not edited by the poster, I will delete it.
Of course time is finite so if I miss a post be patient.[/QUOTE]
If a member insults with every post, and there is more than one, the issue isn’t hurting another’s feelings, it is that they carry it everywhere, and detract from real conversation, and pretty much stalk around the forum doing so.
There is a reasonable amount of trolling and flaming. If you can find anyone on the forums who thinks that the wing chun forum is not way out of hand in that context, I’d have a ****ing heart attack.
Everyone likes to say “have a thick skin”, but afterwards, when that doesn’t solve it, people sure do seem to get banned. Just sayin’.
WC has been very active lately. Although I must say that I’ve not received the amount of complaints that I’d expect given the number of flame wars (and no, that’s not an invitation to register complaints with me). I’m okay with some verbal jousting of course, and if complaints are minimal, I’m not overly concerned. It does reflect very poorly upon the WC community here although anyone who wants to read through the flames can suss out the trolls from the genuine enthusiasts. The issue is, who really wants to read through all that?
That being said, I support sanjuro_ronin in his undertaking to get things sorted here. If, after being issued a warning, defiance continues, we’re always happy to ban.
I’ve modded on a few forums, when we couldn’t ban people due to forum rules we went with an infraction system.
Trolling in an obvious way to get insulting replies or just repeating the same annoying thing over and over again to rile people up gives an infraction
Personal attacks and name calling gives an infraction
3 infractions means loss of posting privileges for 1 month, 4 infractions for 3 months, 5 infractions 6 months
It was really rare that anyone would get a 3 month time-out, people who troll would generally phase out somewhere else since they just need attention and wouldn’t be able to get it anymore, and people who use personal attacks are usually very involved with the board (a little too much emotionally) and one month off was usually enough to convince them that their attitude needed to change if they wanted to continue being a part of a community they already liked very much. The other thing that happened was the boards would slowly get calmer when agitators were out for a month, and it got everyone used to the new status quo being a friendlier forum overall. By the time trouble-makers came back they found their attitudes were a lot less appreciated than back when everyone was used to seeing their name-calling on a daily basis. Just my 2 cents…
[QUOTE=Faux Newbie;1273142]If a member insults with every post, and there is more than one, the issue isn’t hurting another’s feelings, it is that they carry it everywhere, and detract from real conversation, and pretty much stalk around the forum doing so.
There is a reasonable amount of trolling and flaming. If you can find anyone on the forums who thinks that the wing chun forum is not way out of hand in that context, I’d have a ****ing heart attack.
Everyone likes to say “have a thick skin”, but afterwards, when that doesn’t solve it, people sure do seem to get banned. Just sayin’.:D[/QUOTE]
If ther eis a pattern of insult and trolling and very little contributing then yes, that will be dealt with.
Dunno, reading through this it seems like everyone needs to spend a week to create their “fursonas” and then this forum will transcend into the bliss of everyone making purring noises and petting each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom
Anthropomorphic animal characters created by furry fans, known as fursonas,[18] are used for role-playing in MUDs,[19] on internet forums, or on electronic mailing lists
I understand that this is probably not realistic mut my wish would be to only allow deletion of threads to happen by a moderator. If someone wants to delete a thread they started (most of the time because it’s not going a way that makes them look good - poor excuse IMO), they should have to contact a moderator to do it. Then, if the mod sees there is nothing wrong with the thread, leave it up. And, if the mod sees the same few people continuously creating/deleting threads, then they’ll see the real issue.
I say this because IMO, too many good posts and discussions get removed by those playing self-appointed forum mods with creating/deleting numerous threads.
That said, I feel heavy handed mod’g should be done with warnings and banning. I don’t think it’s necessary to go thru the hassle of continuous monitoring & deleting of every individual post on every single thread - that’s asking too much of the mods. And frankly, if people need that level of baby sitting, then the subforum should simply just be shut down. A warning (or two) to the guilty party followed by banning if it keeps up will clean things up in a few weeks. Same goes for spamming.
Whining by people about expecting members who agreed to forum rules that allow for some respectful debate to actually live up to that agreement is still just whining.
Ban them and me for the same length of time, Sanjuro, just to be fair. It won’t hurt me, I won’t even post nasty messages on your facebook page!
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1273157]I understand that this is probably not realistic mut my wish would be to only allow deletion of threads to happen by a moderator. If someone wants to delete a thread they started (most of the time because it’s not going a way that makes them look good - poor excuse IMO), they should have to contact a moderator to do it. Then, if the mod sees there is nothing wrong with the thread, leave it up. And, if the mod sees the same few people continuously creating/deleting threads, then they’ll see the real issue.
I say this because IMO, too many good posts and discussions get removed by those playing self-appointed forum mods with creating/deleting numerous threads.
That said, I feel heavy handed mod’g should be done with warnings and banning. I don’t think it’s necessary to go thru the hassle of continuous monitoring & deleting of every individual post on every single thread - that’s asking too much of the mods. And frankly, if people need that level of baby sitting, then the subforum should simply just be shut down. A warning (or two) to the guilty party followed by banning if it keeps up will clean things up in a few weeks. Same goes for spamming.[/QUOTE]
When a thread is deleted, it can always be brought back by a mod or admin, regardless of who deletes it.
That said, we tend to respect the wishes of the thread originator on these matters.
Sure we have some guys that abuse it and whenever a thread doesn’t go their way they delete it but then we ALL know who they are and why they did it so they obviously show a huge inferiority complex when they do that.
[QUOTE=Miguel;1273145]I’ve modded on a few forums, when we couldn’t ban people due to forum rules we went with an infraction system.[/QUOTE] We reserve the right to ban anyone at anytime for any reason. This is a privately-owned forum and it exists due to the support of KungFuMagazine.com and Tiger Claw. At any point, the powers that be there may ask to have a member banned or a thread deleted. They may overrule all the mods, myself included. They may even opt to turn the forum off. Fortunately, they give me a lot of leeway to run this beast, so we’re good with them on the whole. Nevertheless, the forum rules are guidelines and can be overruled from several directions. We are not bound by them to ban or delete.
If you are possessive of posts you made on threads that were deleted by the thread instigator, while I appreciate your concern and attention, you are investing way too much in this internet forum. It’s just a web forum.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1273164]When a thread is deleted, it can always be brought back by a mod or admin, regardless of who deletes it.
That said, we tend to respect the wishes of the thread originator on these matters.
Sure we have some guys that abuse it and whenever a thread doesn’t go their way they delete it but then we ALL know who they are and why they did it so they obviously show a huge inferiority complex when they do that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1273170]If you are possessive of posts you made on threads that were deleted by the thread instigator, while I appreciate your concern and attention, you are investing way too much in this internet forum. It’s just a web forum.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough! And also why I just stated it was a wish and probably unrealistic. Not a big deal really in the big scheme of things
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1273186]Fair enough! And also why I just stated it was a wish and probably unrealistic. Not a big deal really in the big scheme of things :)[/QUOTE]
Come on, we ALL Know why some one deletes a thread, they are fooling anyone with their “high and mighty superiour” BS.
The things that the WC forum are famous for : lineage wars, personal insults, “my shifu is better than your shifu” and we have the “real WC”.
Read that and see how incredibly silly it all seems to outsiders and why most thing the WC forum is full or wackos.
