Dave Ross's young student threatens HW108 at gym in Colombia.

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=LSWCTN1;1022685]
your instructor disowned you by all accounts, so he did NOT give his permission to train in chow gar. [/quote]
How did you come to that conclusion?

@LSWCTN1

he is NOT a lineage holder himself, nor did he ever claim to be. in fact he claimed the opposite.

I won’t go into the argument wether he is a lineage holder or not, as we could argue about that until the cows come home.

I will only ask you where dId I say that he was a lineage holder?

I mean he teaches the lineage and his lineage is genuine, but I don’t recall emphasizing that he was a lineage holder. I don’t recall that I have, but if I am wrong, and that is possible, then please show me where. If you have noticed, I try to avoid talking about many such details, exactly for the reason that you see here.

@LSWCTN1

he REFUSED to answer questions around his lineage.

I doubt that as his lineage was promoted through the net prior to his seminar. If you do have specific questions, then please PM me and I may be able to answer.

@LSWCTN1

he DID have some interesting gong fu knowledge and application, and was EXTREMELY confident in what he did.

Thank you. A fact that will no doubt be ignored by the MMA knuckleheads posting on this thread.

@LSWCTN1

he did get handled, on the ground especially,

Sorry, that is not what I heard.

@LSWCTN1

and refused to go against at least one guy in the room whilst constantly engaging many of the others. who certainly did not have MANY issues with him.

That is not what I heard either. Did the other guy ask to engage him and he refused?

@LSWCTN1

i liked him, but his ‘internal’ damaging strikes were utter bs.

I was not told that he had attempted to damage anyone through internal strikes…LOL

I was told that he did some pressure point grabs that numbed the person’s arm. t seemed to have worked with some people there, at least, while i was told that there was an older gentleman who was there (with WC practicing family members), who did not have the same reaction.

@LSWCTN1

sorry, but I deliberately asked to feel and there was nothing to it.

That is understandable, because of anatomical differences these things don’t work the same with everyone, and that is common knowledge. Actually, I tried a pressure point grab against a friend to stop him from taking me down, and it did not work with him, while it had worked with others.

I am sure that you are aware that the fact that pressure point techniques don’t work equally with everybody is one of the main criticisms of such approaches, when it comes to real world fighting.

So, calling it “utter bs” is not justified, IMHO.

@LSWCTN1

if yu wish to discuss ANY of the matters then please feel free to respond…

All I want to know is where did you get the idea that I was disowned and practiced another kung fu style, without permission. Was it from the BS that is posted in this forum by the MMA fraternity, who have had their feelings hurt, because I had dared to criticize their own critiques of perceived TCMA short comings?

[Dale_Dugas]

blah blah blah

mouthboxers never man up

[goju]

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1022796]I swear to god Dale, if we painted you green and put some little horns on your head, well, I just don’t know brother…:p:D;)

[/QUOTE]

lol i was thinking of the wwe wrestler kane!

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1022711]When “little Dick” first showed up, we found an internet forum where, prior to “hardwork” being banned, a guy who was present at said seminar detailed it AND a student of hardwork’s supposed sifu also posted that he had been kicked out of the gym. We posted the link to that forum and quite a lot of the people who were present at the time read it and probably remember it

So, basicly our little columbian friend is a liar

He is also someone his sifu said knows very little, is a little dillusional and has been kicked out

Last count, he was banned on three different forums, only the “free range” nature of this forum has allowed him to remain, though EVEN HERE he was banned once!

You’re basicly wasting your time even acknowledging his existance, it is sad to see some of you guys continue to carry on with him[/QUOTE]

Lies and slander!

What else is new with Mr Dave Ross…

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1022709]funny thing is i’ve never questioned his background. Many have here. [/quote]

That is fair enough, but the MMA-ists here do…As you can see…LOL

@Dragonzbane76

I’ve always been of the mindset, “let others do what they wish.” My biggest b!tch about him is that he downs all other MA’s except “his” chosen path.

LOL

For the last time, I don’t down other MAs. I just don’t like it when people “down” TCMAs when they are not really TCMA-ists, and or base their conclusions more on their MMA experience than their TCMA experience. Please try and appreciate teh wisdom of what I said there.

The type of attitude that I speak of has pushed away many genuine kung fu posters who have come here only to be insulted by the MMA “kung fu” crowd.

@Dragonzbane76

somewhere along the line someone slandered him that was a crosstraining mma guy and he’s never let it go. I’m beginning to think it was dave r.

You could be right…

And as you can see, our Glorified Kickboxing friend is still at it even in this thread..

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=Dale Dugas;1022862]blah blah blah

mouthboxers never man up[/QUOTE]

To be fair, I never asked you to “man up”, so don’t worry…

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1022746]not saying that it’s HW108 who was disavowed, [/quote]
Taai gihk, that whole story is a figment of Dave and Sanjuro’s imagination. At least now Sanjuro implies that he could have been wrong, while Dave keeps singing the same song, so to speak.

@taai gihk yahn

but all I can say is that for someone who regularly dresses up and re-enacts ancient greecian warrior rites / battles (and apparently takes this activity VERY seriousy, judging by the video that was posted of it…

People have hobbies, some will go to forests and shoot each other with paint balls; others may join an amateur theater group, while some learn ancient sword fighting and re-enact such battles. To each his own…

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1022702]You know, I got a PM from someone that was at that seminar too, supposedly, and he said almost the exact samethings you said, though he was more adamant about the “dubious lineage” ( his words not mine) and I never brought it up, maybe I should have…[/quote]

It seems that there are a lot of mysterious PMs going in this forum…

@sanjuro_ronin

Anyways, Richards real issues are NOT was HE does ( or doesn’t) but how he is so adamant that OTHER don’t do authentic TCMA because they have different views, even though we have seen over and over, old time sifu with those EXACT same views.

People can have different views that can be valid. Some of TenTiger’s views are different from mine, but I have never had problems with him. The fact is, when one’s different view is based on their MMA, Bjj or MT, and etc. , experience, rather than their TCMA experience, then that leaves room for arguments. Of course, that is not always the case, but I hope that you appreciate what I am gong on about.

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1022700]In all fairness to Richard, I was the one that said that he was “disavowed” by his WC Sifu because, when I spoke, via email, with one of his Sifu’s students years ago, I was told that he MAY be a guy that was kind of a quack and that Sifu Andria basically said to “get a life”.
Now, it MAY have been Richard or may not have been, the similarities where that this person was also nutriding Sifu Andria’s “accomplishments” and speaking with no clear knowledge of anything.
I kind of put 2 and 2 together and say If this is who Richard was then he has been “disowned”, [/quote]
That is why I am interested to know why LSTWNC1 suddenly came out of the wood work and accused me of being disowned? I hope that it is not due to some silly latent inter-lineage disputes that commercial Wing Chun is so plagued with; or that he suddenly discovered the ancient art of BJJ and now thinks that cross training is the best thing since the sandwich, and that anyone who criticizes it needs to be discredited… I am just guessing, not making any conclusions…

ALSO , putting “2 and 2” together in context of guessing, leading to what could be considered slanderous behavior, is not morally correct, specially when it led to every knucklehead MMA-ist and his grandmother, repeating the same vile cr@p over and over again…

Anyway, I was hoping for an apology, but I guess this will do.

@sanjuro_ronin

[B]but to be fair, we don’t know if that is the case because Richard has never mentioned ANYTHING about himself.

[/B]

It seems for good reason, too…

[Hardwork108]

Look guys, this was supposed to be a light-hearted thread. The video clip that I posted, brought tears to my eyes, literally!

I was expecting some some tongue in cheek replies, but man, some of the kung fu tagged MMA-ists can be so INSECURE!

As far as Dave goes, then he should not take this thread as an insult, compared to some of the vile cr@p and LIES he has posted about me in the past (that many in this thread are aware of, but are conveniently silent about), this was a picnic.

Besides, what happened to Dave’s student in that clip could have happened to any one of his students…

[Drake]

Maybe people are just sick of you and don’t find you funny?

[Scott_R_Brown]

[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1022925]Look guys, this was supposed to be a light-hearted thread. The video clip that I posted, brought tears to my eyes, literally!

I was expecting some some tongue in cheek replies, but man, some of the kung fu tagged MMA-ists can be so INSECURE!

As far as Dave goes, then he should not take this thread as an insult, compared to some of the vile cr@p and LIES he has posted about me in the past (that many in this thread are aware of, but are conveniently silent about), this was a picnic.

Besides, what happened to Dave’s student in that clip could have happened to any one of his students…:D[/QUOTE]

Hey!!! My posts have contained nothing BUT jocularity!!!

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=Drake;1022927]Maybe people are just sick of you and don’t find you funny?[/QUOTE]

And that is another point. It seems that the abilities necessary to be an MMA knucklehead never correlate with having a good sense of humor…LOL

By the way, there are many people who find the truth sickening and unfunny…

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1022929]Hey!!! My posts have contained nothing BUT jocularity!!! :p[/QUOTE]

Hey Scott, you are always cool, even too cool. :eek:

I have never had a beef with you.

[uki]

[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1022393]he is what he hates most.[/QUOTE]so does this make me a police officer??

[taai_gihk_yahn]

[QUOTE=uki;1022935]so does this make me a police officer?? :p[/QUOTE]

no, it makes you a non-psychadelic mushroom…

[uki]

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1022938]no, it makes you a non-psychadelic mushroom…[/QUOTE]damn i suck.

[taai_gihk_yahn]

[QUOTE=uki;1022939]damn i suck. ;)[/QUOTE]

well, I for one would certainly never wish such mycological misfortune upon you…

[sanjuro_ronin]

That is understandable, because of anatomical differences these things don’t work the same with everyone, and that is common knowledge.

Common EXCUSE doesn’t equal common knowledge, Dillman.

[sanjuro_ronin]

It seems for good reason, too…

Indeed, it’s hard to BS and hide when people know who you are.