If anyone thinks this cracker has any skill, then I feel bad because they have never, NEVER touched hands with someone even remotely good. Save your money and go visit Tim Cartmell. You will fly, but not like that 
Cheers
Jake 
So what is IMA supposed to look like? All demos like this draw the same reactions and the same questions. Some people, his students, and others follow people who have skills like these. What would you say makes them follow such teachers often for many yrs?
Hey Brad,
I am completely open about what I can do and what I can’t do, and what are practical fighting techniques that works on anyone and what are training methods that requires coorporations from a training partner.
Further more, I openly invite anyone to come and cross hands with me. As long as you come as a friend with an open mind, and ready to share some knowledge and a good coffee.
Cheers,
John
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They want to be a part of something rare and special. That makes them special too, i.e. better than you!!
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Some people like to be awed. We live in a world that is led by science and technology; this tends to separate us from the wonder of the natural world. If magic exists then science doesn’t have all the answers to the wonder of the universe.
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If I can learn magical abilities I can defend myself against any form of attack (except someone who knows better magic than mine.) and this will make me feel less insecure. Maybe even powerful! Then I will be a somebody and no one can push me around. “You don’t know what I could do to you if you push me too far! Don’t make me angry! You won’t like me when I am angry!! You live because of my beneficence!”
I’ve been to her school and know someone well who trained with her for over a decade.
Her curriculum consists of Wushu, not TCMA, including the Fu style ba gua. She teaches no neigong.
Hi Dr John,
You do similar stuff like this, lots of energy work. The clip where your stdent puts his finger on your 3rd eye and he collaspes is kinda like that right?
regards
garry
(They want to be a part of something rare and special. That makes them special too, i.e. better than you!!)
dont know about that, I think there are probably more people whose training is along these lines but are rather privet about. For the reasons posted here.
( Some people like to be awed. We live in a world that is led by science and technology; this tends to separate us from the wonder of the natural world. If magic exists then science doesnt have all the answers to the wonder of the universe.)
based on my own experiences, when people encounter this, there first reaction is one of skeptic until they themselves experience it. After the experience it might take many yrs for the mind and body to be able to develop the out look and feeling to duplicate it. Or it might take a short time depending on ones ablility to adopt a differnt viewpoint.
(If I can learn magical abilities I can defend myself against any form of attack (except someone who knows better magic than mine.) and this will make me feel less insecure. Maybe even powerful! Then I will be a somebody and no one can push me around. You dont know what I could do to you if you push me too far! Dont make me angry! You won’t like me when I am angry!! You live because of my beneficence!)
I think this is ego and fear based, not something conducive to developing this type of work IMO.
Lets take something more believable but less shown. The idea that softness can naturalize hardness, the idea that the mind will not allow the body to push on something that it cant feel (emptiness) reactions to this often include a spasm of involuntary jumping back. these things are quite hard to really do, and are not shown as much nor do they draw the same interest. They are based on the same ideas that are expressed in many demos like this. FWIW i think only a few people ever get to the stage where it can be used, hence the lack of demos or awarness of it.
This demo is rather extreme agreed, but having experienced some of the same things not much so from my point of view.
As for not having enough qi to act on, sometimes said by some who can do these things, its the same process as asking some one to throw a punch or do something that a technique can work off of. for this to work it requires something to work off of.
If you understand or follow qi theory then, one would also know that the bodies own system can be over loaded or disrupted, another reason why some masters are unwilling to do this.
If one does not then none of it will make sense and other explanations will be used to describe what is being shown in an attempt to make some sense of it.
FWIW my own experience with this left me feeling kind of sick. Like wanting to throw up. I am told its because the qi is being caused to stop at a certain point. if ones own system is not strong enough, ( just like being able to take a punch, roll or anything else) my own belief is that it would damage you.
There are some other points, but my main point, is that in my own experience there are people who posses skills similar to what is shown, and that many long time CMA people upon meeting such skill often stick around to understand it, often for a long time, dropping everything else.
A small story: my friend watching my teacher in china has an engineering back ground. The teacher seeing my friend ( who is Chinese) said (you dont believe this do you.) my friend said ( no)
My teacher smiled and said (thats okay) tapping him on the shoulder. My friend told me it felt like a small sun turned on inside his chest. He looked at my teacher who laughed and said (dont worry it will go away)
so while i may not be able to explain things, i understand them from first hand experince, i follow my teachers adivce because its something i have an interest in.
i share things only in the sprit of sharing my own experinces and thoughts not to change any others.
(If magic exists then science doesnt have all the answers to the wonder of the universe.)
Science is/ was often thought of as magic until it becomes common place
Greetings..
The video is embarrassing. I have been privy to such exhibitions from others of similar fame.. the student’s reactions are carefully manipulated responses, where they are instructed that such wildly animated movements “dispell the Qi”.. I have also been privy to real exhibitions of extraordinary skills.. precise timing, incredible sensitivity, advanced knowledge of anatomy, keen application of physics and leverage/balance.. resulting in a similar perception of “magic” without the theatrics.. I have crossed hands with masters that are so well trained and so skilled that they are completely relaxed and at ease with anything that comes at them.. i felt like they could sip tea with one hand and whip my butt with the other..
The few occasions where i felt like i had a real Qi experience from a skilled Master, it was nothing like the video, and.. never without actual physical contact.. That is not to say that i discount distance applications of “Qi”, we all understand that feeling where we are near someone and get this “gut reaction”, either positive or negative.. this is the effect of our energy (Qi) fields interacting, we sense this persons nature/intentions.. i have to keep open the possibility that this situation can be studied and trained to a skill..
I do not buy the explanation by most that they won’t show you because they could seriously hurt you.. if you’re that good you fix it as easily as you break it.. as has been the case on the few occasions where i have been subjected to what i believe was real Qi work.. A palm slap on my shoulder-blade started me into a coughing fit that left me defenseless, the subsequent massage at the base of my skull and mid-pectoral region relieved the symptoms.. a back of the wrist strike to my “liver-gate” immediately left me nauseous and and doubled-over in an unexplainable pain, deep and viceral.. massage at the Ming-Men and upper out-side of the shin relieved the symptoms.. the strike wouldn’t have broken an egg.. These people understood the Qi, its effect on the body and could use it for help or harm.. and, they were not public entertainers, they were simple unassumimg people willing to share a glimpse of our potential.. When i asked about training for such knowledge, the reply was consistent.. “demonstrate a thorough understanding of the physical structure and you can begin to understand the energetic structure”.. they are two sides of the same coin, interdependent..
I have seen a student blindfolded and ears covered respond precisely as various “Qi” techniques were applied from a short distance, too random to be choreographed.. but, even then, it would appear that the teacher and student had developed a “Qi” relationship, one that is not available to an unforeseen street situation.. For “Qi” energy work to be useful as a self-defense technique it must work consistently on anyone in an instant.. otherwise it is suitable as a medical alternative, an amusement or as training for developing QI as a potential evolutionary advance..
Public displays such as the video are of little value since they reek of choreographed responses to unverified processes.. rather, pick a novice from the crowd and show the potential student a minor example of “Qi” power.. make believers by real demonstrations, not side-shows..
Be well..
Bob, you see that’s where you have it wrong. Now I’m not referring to Peter Young because I really no nothing about him, but I can tell you that a lot of people have this skill.
What most don’t understand is that this is just energy work between teacher and students that are sensitive enough to feel it. It is NOT for self defense, it is just one of many other skills you can develop from doing TCC. I repeat… IT IS NOT FOR SELF DEFENSE!!! Energy work is more for sensitivity development. The masters that can do this work, can not do it to just anyone off the street. Why is this so hard for some to understand?
Greetings..
What most don’t understand is that this is just energy work between teacher and students that are sensitive enough to feel it. It is NOT for self defense, it is just one of many other skills you can develop from doing TCC. I repeat… IT IS NOT FOR SELF DEFENSE!!! Energy work is more for sensitivity development. The masters that can do this work, can not do it to just anyone off the street. Why is this so hard for some to understand?
Actually, people with highly developed skills can (and do) easily demonstrate to anyone they feel will appreciate the demonstration.. Energy work is for whatever purpose the worker chooses, including self-defense.. one cannot confine the energy work of others to their own preferences..
Be well..
Bob, technically you are correct. But, the number of people who can emit this sort of energy on “just anyone” are few and far between. Speaking mainly from a students point of view who has just recently begun tapping into this kind of energy work, at this time in my understanding I find it to be more of a cooperative exercise. I can’t speak for any high level masters, but I am beginning to feelt it for myself, so with that said, I defintely believe this kind of work is very possible and a reality.
why would anyone think this video would make tai chi look bad? You can tell by the way the guys were jumping away and twisting there bodies they the have developed some leg strength while jumping away. they seemed out of shape but man could they cover some distance. The next time someone starts to attack you start jumping and spinning around like these guys. I bet the attacker will forget about wanting to hurt you. Forget about the pushing, joint locking and striking and just go into a fit like this. It will work. I bet it can help get you to the front of the line at the movies. If you see a long line just break out some of you moves for a minute then go straight to the front of the line. It will work.
Look for the positive dont be negative.
If Moe, Larry and Curley were still around they would have some serious copetition.
Hello Garry,
Yes, exactly. But I must stress that I CANNOT do this just on anyone, at least not yet :o . This is just for training and demo purpose only, and I have made it clear on the website, except people do not read the website properly and start making all sorts of comments about me.
Cheers,
John
Hello Yangyang,
This stuff DOES work on the street, though not in such spectacular fashion :o
Although I cannot use the internals in the purest form to fight an opponent, it is quite easy to use it to upset the opponents’ balance and float them and to sense their intentions hence making the physical techniques more effortless, effective and powerful. And this works on anyone, not just students. Very often, the person being “floated” may not even feel it, but a third person observing can often see the opponent distorting by himself/herself before being thrown.
In my opinion there is a definitely benefit in training such subtle energy for self defense purposes.
Cheers,
John
Hey, my teachers do the energy work all the time, so I have a complete open mind about it. Unlike most others.
why
would anyone believe any of this stuff?
The same reason that people followed
Jim Jones
Charles Manson
The maharaj yogi (sp)
people believe that Pat Robertson changed the path of hurricanes
They are self diluted and have give up, sadly by choice, their ability and willingness to think for themselves.
If you are under the delusion that you posses such powers
- which you clearly promote for gain - go over to
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html convince one guy and win
1 MILLION dollars!
As usual, let the excuses follow!
IF I seem harsh it’s because I take this kind of crap as a direct insult to those whom I admire and those that I know have put in decades and lifetimes
of commitment and REAL practice to an art and tradition.
People like this should not be excused. The people who fall for such BS probably should receive our pity because they obviously lack certain mental skills, but they should be taken out and flogged.
Ignorance is a bliss
:rolleyes: The good thing about ignorance is that one becomes totally content with oneself, thinking that “I know it all” without seeing or realising that there is a big wide world out there full of phenomenons beyond our current understanding. It’s like saying “I don’t believe in bacteria coz I’ve never seen one.”
Cheers,
John
(The people who fall for such BS probably should receive our pity because they obviously lack certain mental skills, but they should be taken out and flogged)
how are you any different from those you denigrate. People should take your truth your, view, as theirs ?
all the time people ask to see high level skills sets then after seeing an example try to find ways to explain why it is not so.
(IF I seem harsh) na you don’t seem harsh at all, uninformed, narrow minded, maybe, but harsh na.
Blame not what others are doing to ruin Kung Fu, blame yourself for what you’re not doing to make it right;)
Get out there and beat some a$$ with your Kung Fu and everything will be alright.
You should be shot for saying all this with a straight face and making me lose my drink.