Cramps

Re: ****ing a…

Originally posted by Oso
[B]…anyway, there was so much crap to wade through I may have missed it being said but: are you talking cold or room temp water?

for me, I can’t drink cooler or cold water w/o cramping. I think the cold water simply causes your muscles and organs to contract if you dump too much of it down. my first teacher was adamant about not drinking cold water during a work out. [/B]

It has something to do with your body needing to heat the water up to body temperature before it can be used. I’m not sure on the specifics, but I do know that it takes more energy to process cold water than room temp water.

And I would know. I’m the Water Dragon :smiley:

WD, from my pov it’s a matter of not wanting to douse your now 100+ degree body with 45 degree water. Yes, you will spend more calories (btu’s) in heating that water up to your body temperature but in the question of cramping, if I dump 4-8 ounces of 45 degree water into the center of all my organs, something painful is bound to happen as that cold water causes tissues to contract.

but, as I said, just my take on it.

meatshake, just use a scientific approach and eliminate one thing at a time until you figure out what’s causing YOU to cramp.

Originally posted by blooming lotus
not true Serpent, i already told you I experience the same thing… I thought it was standard knowlege that you shouldn’t consume too much of any fluid up to an hour prior, and certainly not in excess ( more than several small sips) during a cardio sesh… correct me if i’m wrong, but from your posts, I figure that the bulk of your work are weights etc.no???..anyway, cardio and excess fluid 'll make most of us cramp… perhaps you’re gentically …hmmm…different.:smiley: ???

Ps. fluid ( particularly sugared or eloctrolit, preffered) in recovery by all means… go hard and do 2lts + if you can manage…just not pre or during???..

any thing further to clarify Serpent??

You’re wrong, but there’s no point correcting you because you’ll carry on as if you’re still right anyway. However, for the record, weights make up a very small amount of my personal training regimen. I train mainly BWE and kung fu, however, that’s not really relevant to the discussion.

It’s amazing to me that people are talking about avoiding fluids before and during training. Take last night, for example. I trained 3 hours and had a 600ml Powerade and 750ml of water (mixed together). So that’s 1,350ml of fluids over a 3 hour period. That’s 450ml per hour, or about 150ml every 20 minutes, on average.

I make a point to stay hydrated all day, so I don’t drink a huge amount all at once at any one point. I guarantee I’d have lost at least 1 litre in sweat during those 3 hours.

All seems pretty good to me. I wonder if the cramps are from lack of fluids, therefore lack of electrolytes and other salts? I’m guessing that cramping is going to be a bit different for everyone anyway, so Oso suggestion for Meat Shake is the best so far.

Now, if you gulp down large amounts of fluid, even 200ml, then go hard in a sparring bout or something for 3 minutes, then sure, the fluid in your stomach could upset you, but I already made that distinction somewhere earlier.

no -one is saying avoid them, we’re just saying in very small moderation. you skull mid - cardio and tell us you didn’t cramp

I think body temp and location has a bit to do with it as well…

for eg: , in china , especially in the south it’s extremely hot and you’re on a constant sweat train, where-as in say Sydney, it’s much cooler and so your fluid temp requs and how your body deals with it 'll be different. Much as I hate to admit it, bearing this in mind, Serpent may not be so far wrong after all… ( well not really , but he / she 'll feel much better if I make with a half dis :wink: ). Like we’ve said before, environmental factors are worth considering…

Odd, I was thinking earlier that if you’re drinking 200 mL of water every 10 minutes (your original figure, which now seems to have been modified to 75 mL every 10 minutes…) and you’re not cramping or vomiting then you’re not working hard enough…

And one of the points of staying hydrated all the time is so that you can exercise for a prolonged period of time without getting overly dehydrated or having to constantly stop and gulp water.

There is obviously a lot of mitigating factors, but as far as this forum is concerned we can only talk in generalities or from our own singular experience. I try to find a balance between the two when I post.

To back up my position, apart from my own anecdotal evidence already posted, here’s some other sources:

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/hydration/a/acsmfluid.htm

This is a somewhat biased link, but a valid point nonetheless:
http://www.gssiweb.com/reflib/refs/232/toomucho***oodthing.cfm?pid=38&CFID=664742&CFTOKEN=45538793

http://www.tahitiannoni.com/us/tahiti_trim/hydration.htm

http://www.ivillage.co.uk/dietandfitness/getfit/strengtone/articles/0,,255_157342,00.html

Tak - In response to your post, I originally posted a suggested range of hydration and then used my previous nights workout as a personal example. For you to take the highest amount of fluid and combine it with the shortest amount of time taken from my suggestion is deliberately argumentative.

Whatever works for you, bud.

of course 3 hrs is decent work out, and we should all know that if you loose over such and such percent of fluid, performance declines. On powerade though, remember, you are also replacing electrolytes… what ever you feel comfortable with "I guess. Will vary from sesh to sesh, load to load, climate and location etc etc etc…

what was that original Question again?

Originally posted by blooming lotus
of course 3 hrs is decent work out, and we should all know that if you loose over such and such percent of fluid, performance declines. On powerade though, remember, you are also replacing electrolytes… what ever you feel comfortable with "I guess. Will vary from sesh to sesh, load to load, climate and location etc etc etc…

Of course, and remember that Powerade, etc. is actually designed to not only replace electrolytes, but also to make you more thirsty so that you take in more water. That’s why I mix it the way I do. Drinking just a sports drink is not so good for hydration levels unless you either mix it like I described or make sure to drink heaps of plain old water after the session.

Also, you must have had some drugs or something, bl - that post was coherent, on topic and contained only a few dramatic …'s. You feeling ok?

The problem with powerade and gatorade is way too much sugar - Serp is smart to water it down.

after a bout with the stomach flu one time the doc said Pedialyte ws the best electrolyte replacement fluid - low/no sugar and high amounts of minerals.

I personally think the greater problem is with the salt content, and yah, it’s not a bad move to go with dilution.

a flu virus is heat and sugar creates heat fuel and burns it within your body … makes sense really, though if it’s gone on for a while, I know many a folk who’ve really appreciated the sugar and respectively made friendly with a frozen juice all night long…

Originally posted by Ming Yue
[B]The problem with powerade and gatorade is way too much sugar - Serp is smart to water it down.

after a bout with the stomach flu one time the doc said Pedialyte ws the best electrolyte replacement fluid - low/no sugar and high amounts of minerals. [/B]

Heh, she called me smart. blushes :slight_smile:

I actually dig the sugar too. I often train for three hours or so at a time or many times through a day, so the extra sugar hit for energy is good for me. But even then, it still has to be watered down. Powerade without water in it freaks me out now - it’s like drinking neat cordial.

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I have learnt a lot from this here thread, not only about cramping like the one I got in my eye for reading your “enlightenments” Yes, I think I just made up a word….. Please don’t call the word police. Oh wait, that is a word. You may all be missing one of the biggest points poor circulation, which may also have something to do with your posts.

Ok shake it off, 6 pages and now I have to remember why I open this thread in the first place.

I generally have a problem with cramps in my legs, sides, back, all over. How else are you suppose to find all those mussels, I mean muscles, I do drink water all day before during and after training. If I get to the school early enough and stick around for the late class I can be there as long as five hours training three intently, is that word, oh ya it is…………… I drink during training and only have a problem if I train for several hours, I don’t feel it’s a good idea to go so long with out some fluid intake. Usually I work out for two hour three to four times a week so it not a big deal for me I have also found that the best thing for cramps is tiger balm.

BL are those pic of you??? I think Toby is having to much fun with them, and if you are in deed the same person give yourself a break.

Oh man, I have trolled all over the place!!! Need to go clean up. There should be a troll forum or maybe you could just change the name of this forum since it contains so many SME’s.

Good luck to you all, if you want to troll me you have to look in one of the other forums as I’m outa here…………………………………>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

NO RIBHIT FOR YOU…..
Yes I did make that word up.

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Hey, this is a pretty good thread for the most part. Argue about pictures on another thread, I dont want this one to get locked.

i’ve received enough requests, so i went ape**** and started baleting useless stuff. if i accidentally baleted something of legitimacy, accept my apologies – so much dirty bathwater, i was bound to lose a baby or two.

meat shake – the thread is yours again.

Bah, moderator scum!

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Originally posted by Frogman
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BL are those pic of you??? I think Toby is having to much fun with them, and if you are in deed the same person give yourself a break.

Yes I did make that word up.

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Frog dude: cheers babe. At times I don’t feel half as ugly as they say I should be and I appreciate the support so just take that adevice and like myself anyway. Hey , the boys’ve gotta have at least one angle to say face on right :wink:

cheers :stuck_out_tongue:

BL

Originally posted by Ming Yue
[B]The problem with powerade and gatorade is way too much sugar - Serp is smart to water it down.

after a bout with the stomach flu one time the doc said Pedialyte ws the best electrolyte replacement fluid - low/no sugar and high amounts of minerals. [/B]

As a frequent weight-cutter, I can attest that Pedialyte owns all others when it comes to rehydration.

Sorry to tell you this bl (really, I am :frowning: ) but the only cramps you have the qualifications to comment on in this thread are of the menstrual type. Thanks for your valiant little effort, but you really need to go comment on some other subject. Have a good day though.:slight_smile:

cerebus, I know you’re 30 + but I’m 30 and 've been training hard core a grade style since I was 9 yrs old. I know cramp and how to avoid it. Put ting yourself supreme, still doesn’t negate my experience. I dig you but, I’m not exactly a babe in the woods myself, so quite frankly feelin a lil grey today …

say what you must ( sighs and leaves the room)