Franco Riggio is with Chan familiy.
http://clfma.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=9 .
I think there is no problem, because I know that master VInce is good friend of master Chan Yong Fa and master Dave must be too.
You guys made it sound as though it is a crime to study with another teacher. Most good teacher who is secure about their own knowledge would welcome their students (especially the top ones who are good and keen) to study with another good teacher to learn more or the same from a different perspective.
I am sure even though Franco went to study with Chen, he is still a loyal CLF man. Don’t forget Tarm Sam also learned with Chan Koon Pak with the wooden dummies. Students just want to learn and improve their skills whichever way they can, they don’t want any politics. The branch thing is just a paper tiger and should be ripped to pieces.
extrajoseph
Dude, calm down man. These guys used to train under Master Dave and if they wanted to walk the same path I am just enlightening them to what sifu’s opinions are, which are that Nick Lizos’ CLF is no joke. If they wanted to learn under Gary, Franco, or frickin William Cheung or Leung Ting is their business. I wouldn’t have even mentioned Franco if I didn’t think he had legitimate skills. Bloody hell…shrugs
k
k-no,
“Mario and Franco Riggio he used to speak of too, but I guess they are inactive or one now plays with the Chan Yong Fa’s group.”
Sorry, I must have a different English teacher than you do, I interpreted the above statement as your teacher no long speak of Franco because he went to play with Chan Yong Fa’s group. It is the same with Mario because he is no longer active. So going to study with Chan Yong Fa will lead to the same reaction from your sifu as giving up training – he will not speak of them again.
My apology if I have over reacted and misinterpreted your message. English is my second language. People think Chinese is hard to learn and English is easy, but for me, even after 30 years I still have trouble with English.
jX
extrajoseph
Fair enough bro. Just a misunderstanding. Between you and me, if a Master’s disciple leaves to join another’s organization, there is going to be some hurt feelings. I’m pretty sure sifu wasn’t ecstatic about the situation, but he would never bad mouth them. He doesn’t speak of them much, but he still has tapes of their fights, which he cornered. We would watch them from time to time and he would then comment on their skills…“There’s Franco with the Iceman…he bloody gives it to the baaaastid!”. =)
If Buck Sing is what they are looking for, I suggest Nick. If they want CLF in general, well Nick, Gary or any competent instructor under Chan Yong Fa’s Sydney group will do, of course. =)
k
Sorry If I help to confuse the words of k-no I just also remember saw Franco Riggio in the site and want to link it.
Joseph, glad to see you back from your holidays.
k-no,
Thank you for being so candidly honest. I can understand how your sifu feels. I can also see now why Chan Yong-Fa is so unpopular outside of his own circle. He can be seen as a stealer of other people’s students. What could he have done, say no to Franco? Do you think Franco has been disloyal? May be this could be the real reason for the Kong Hing vs. Chan Yong-Fa controversy, is it true from your angle? Sorry about all these questions, you seem to have the inside information.
JAZA,
I had a great time in China, I went to both the Futshan Temple and the King Mui Ancestral School. They did a great job in restoring both places, it can ony be a good thing for CLF.
josephX
“Monk stirrs wine barrel”- Jackie Chan
extrajoseph
Whoah, let’s address your questions before things get misconstrued.
Sifu Dave Lacey has nothing against Chan Yong Fa. He could never have been too angry with him, considering he himself has been labeled a “student stealer”. I won’t go into details regarding any parties involved, suffice it to say that Sifu himself has said time and again to people who left their master’s to join with him, to forget about the affair and go back to their sifu, but they vehemently insisted.
As far as Franco being disloyal....I wouldn't use that word. Although I feel Franco owes Sifu gratitude for pushing him towards victory in the ring, I do feel that every situation has two sides and certain arrangements may not have been agreeable to him. For instance, Sifu moved to Melbourne from Perth. While some students followed Sifu to train, I wouldn't expect them to. People have lives to lead as well, especially those who don't live and breathe Choy Lay Fut. I feel that if Franco had to follow another path due to distance or any other reason, he couldn't have found much better than Chan Yong Fa's CLF group.
I don't want this small occurence in their lives to be linked in anyway to the supposed "Kong Hing & Chan Yong Fa" controversy. Sigung Kong Hing is a very outspoken individual who doesn't pull his punches and says what he means, without buttering up the situation. They are two different men, with different personalities and traits. I'm sure Master Chan is a good person. Sigung Kong Hing is a just and honest person, who wouldn't kiss your ass if he is not in the mood. It was probably just a bad day for the two to interact.
k
lol @ Shaolin36
“Monk puts wine down, has a cup of coffee and two aspirin.”
k
“Wink, wink. Say no more.” - Norman Gunston.