Ray, it is a known fact that choy la fut is for deadly street fighting where there are no cameras. The cameras are only around for the forms and never the sparring. But it had to be true that choy la fut teaches people to fight and not just do forms. Just look at all the video…
It should be called choy lay GUT. Dave Ross did lama and choy lay gut and look at his muscles. He is the perfect Kung Fu specimen.
He and Mike Patterson eat at the same donut shop every day but oy Mike drinks the Kung Fu kool aide.
Yes, we’re sorry that our fledgling full contact venue isn’t as popular as another :rolleyes:
We’re also sorry that none of the small number of practitioners in the west has risen to the elite levels of a format they haven’t trained for :rolleyes:
This discussion is largely meaningless for another decade, when the new generation of teachers who’ve done San Shou and submission wrestling will see the fruition of their programs.
So, to recap, you’ve massively dragged the thread miles off topic to spout your misplaced vitriol for no real reason. This is pretty universally known as trolling.
[QUOTE=Ben Gash;1136514]Yes, we’re sorry that our fledgling full contact venue isn’t as popular as another :rolleyes:
We’re also sorry that none of the small number of practitioners in the west has risen to the elite levels of a format they haven’t trained for :rolleyes:
This discussion is largely meaningless for another decade, when the new generation of teachers who’ve done San Shou and submission wrestling will see the fruition of their programs.
So, to recap, you’ve massively dragged the thread miles off topic to spout your misplaced vitriol for no real reason. This is pretty universally known as trolling.[/QUOTE]
Wow, was all this really necessary. You are a bright one.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1136511]LMAO!!! YOU aren’t in the UFC either. :p[/QUOTE]
This isn’t about me.
I would think we certainly don’t want to start questioning our individual fighting experiences do we?
I’m 37. I tried my MMA experience and aside from a couple wins against lesser, mediocre players, I wasn’t successful. Found the right path a little late in life and now don’t have the time/desire to put into it what it requires: full dedicated devotion.
With that said, I don’t take credit for other’s success nor make excuses for my failures. I do my own fighting for myself. When I teach, I teach from a place of first hand experience.
Gaging from your videos. You’re what? 270lbs? You ready to step up and fight an MMA super heavy weight?
[QUOTE=Ben Gash;1136514]
This discussion is largely meaningless for another decade, when the new generation of teachers who’ve done San Shou and submission wrestling will see the fruition of their programs.[/QUOTE]
I would think we certainly don’t want to start questioning our individual fighting experiences do we?
I’m 37. I tried my MMA experience and aside from a couple wins against lesser, mediocre players, I wasn’t successful. Found the right path a little late in life and now don’t have the time/desire to put into it what it requires: full dedicated devotion.
With that said, I don’t take credit for other’s success nor make excuses for my failures. I do my own fighting for myself. When I teach, I teach from a place of first hand experience.
Gaging from your videos. You’re what? 270lbs? You ready to step up and fight an MMA super heavy weight?
For one, you’re 37, I’m 43. Yes, i’m a big, fat guy. So what. Do you know how hard it is to come back from being paralyzed from the waist down? I do. I was told I would never walk again after falling 50 feet, breaking 3 parts of my back. IMHO, to me, that is more important than winning any sport or sport fighting record. yes, i gained weight. But I’m back to working on losing it. I hit my spin bike, i train along with my students. But is losing weight my primary focus? No. I don’t mind being big aside from having to wear bigger clothes, i don’t move like a sloth.
I’m not into fighting for sport. Sure I like watching it, but that is a game for those who want to play it. where i live, fighting happens all the time. for example, although we didn’t fight the guy (you’ll understand why) last sunday we were having a tong meeting when this crazy violent type of screaming took place. there was a crazy chinese guy with a HUUUUUUGE ass crocodile dundee type knife. He tried to attack our people but a few us held the guy off from entering our tong so they the guy started stabbing and chopping at his own arm. i mean the sh1t was crazy. I can still hear in my head the sound of this guys artery SPURTING out blood. its really a nasty sound haha.
So i don’t worry about sport fighting. I have enough out here to deal with. see the guys bloody shirt on the floor at the feet of the Fireman…SQUIRT SQUIRT …
This subject does touch on the "stepping up " fallacy. Is the measure of a MAist really whether he’s stepped into a ring? You’re only as good as the opponents you’ve beat squarely. So and so may have had a few bouts, but against who? Tomato cans don’t count. And can one be certain the guy who doesn’t have a “record” hasn’t actually fought in hard contact matches?
So…
Just because one has been in a ring, does that give one clout to pontificate over all others?
This subject does touch on the "stepping up " fallacy. Is the measure of a MAist really whether he’s stepped into a ring? You’re only as good as the opponents you’ve beat squarely. So and so may have had a few bouts, but against who? Tomato cans don’t count. And can one be certain the guy who doesn’t have a “record” hasn’t actually fought in hard contact matches?
So…
Just because one has been in a ring, does that give one clout to pontificate over all others?
perhaps his ship has sailed and he’s pretty bitter bout it all. its ok. just make sure our students don’t miss the ship. But lets be completely real without offense intended, if Ray really was the elite his fight record would reflect that, correct? good or bad, you whip all. that is why the ELITE are ELITE. just because you train in a fighting method that has produced ELITE athletes isn’t a promise that HE will be elite as well.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1136533] if Ray really was the elite his fight record would reflect that, correct? good or bad, you whip all. that is why the ELITE are ELITE. just because you train in a fighting method that has produced ELITE athletes isn’t a promise that HE will be elite as well.[/QUOTE]
I never said I was an elite competitive fighter. I said I am a life long martial artists who has entered various competitions to test my skills. I never won until training BJJ/MMA… granted, those skills are specific to the venue I was interested in. But these skills made me a better martial artists. I have no illusions at being on the bottom of the pecking order of MMA. In fact, I no longer compete in MMA.
However, like it or not, as one of only a few members here who have competed in sanctioned events, that does make me elite here… which I admit doesn’t say much.
