Sometimes I really love how these guys operate…
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/04/10/olympic.plot/index.html
Ahhhhhh, China, no pesky Bill of Rights or any sign of a conscience with regard to due process.
A NeoCon’s wet dream.
-jo
A little wagging the dog?
God, could they try to be a little less contrived? pay lip service with a thinly veiled action to give what you think the world wants to see to appease them when they are freaked out about TIbet: just their way of telling the world that they are team players…so sad…
if the news is true or not–
if there is something that moves, we may say it is just a wind.
if there is a shadow, we may say we do not need to look into it?
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if there is a rumor of terrorist bombing or kidnapping plots, we do not need to do anything?
if there is a bomb threat on a building, we do not need to evacuate?
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it is not important that this piece of news is fabricated or not.
but IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE.
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my point is that
everyone cares about the safety of all athletes, family and tourists.
not just Chinese government.
:eek:
[QUOTE=jo;853151]Ahhhhhh, China, no pesky Bill of Rights or any sign of a conscience with regard to due process.
A NeoCon’s wet dream.
-jo[/QUOTE]
I couldn’t have said it better myself
God, could they try to be a little less contrived? pay lip service with a thinly veiled action to give what you think the world wants to see to appease them when they are freaked out about TIbet: just their way of telling the world that they are team players…so sad…
same thing I said about the last guys quote…
Why doesn’t the world boycott Chinese goods? I mean seriously, it would boost other developing nations economies and take away some money and power from the beasts that are dealing arms to the Sudan and trying to ‘assimilate’ Tibetans by killing thier culture.
Oh, and if any Chinese read this, noone cares that you are ‘developing’ Tibet, did Tibet ask China to come in and develop it 50 years ago??? I’m so sick of these brainwashed…
I don’t wish the Chinese people any bad, but they have been brainwashed by state controlled media for to long, and they believe and trust their government because their lives have improved economically. They (well, a lot anyway) just can’t see the reality. This regime is the same regime that committed attrocities in the great leap forward, the cultural revolution, the Tibetan protests in the 80’s, Tiananmen square, supports Omar al’Bashir’s government in northern Sudan, the list goes on and on…
Down with the Chinese government!
You know, I am not a big fan of China, never have been, but I do know that if one wants to effect change, its easier to do it as a friend and ally than by trying to strong arm people/governments.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;853219]You know, I am not a big fan of China, never have been, but I do know that if one wants to effect change, its easier to do it as a friend and ally than by trying to strong arm people/governments.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but I’m not talking about a government embargo, but rather a consumer boycott. Consumers around the world who don’t approve of Chinese actions should ‘ease the demand for Chinese goods’ so to speak. This wouldn’t be government strong arming, it would be consumers not investing in a regime they do not support.
[QUOTE=bodhitree;853226]I agree, but I’m not talking about a government embargo, but rather a consumer boycott. Consumers around the world who don’t approve of Chinese actions should ‘ease the demand for Chinese goods’ so to speak. This wouldn’t be government strong arming, it would be consumers not investing in a regime they do not support.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, tomato, tomahto ?
Besides, we both know that will never happen.
Consumers care about themselves, just like those celebreties that go on TV to ask for support for this and support for that and give money to this cause and feed the hungry in Africa and its only 20 bucks and then go back to their 20 million dollar homes with 8 bedrooms for them, their cat and some token spouse.
My faith in civilization as a whole is far less than my faith in the individual.
You would do more good to demand that your employer stop outsourcing to countries that have poor records on labour laws and human rights…India and China for instance.
If your company was forced to change their tactics in regards to people viewed as costs instead of assets, you would see change faster than boycotting goods.
Don’t give them the business to begin with.
seriously.
Is that one a little too difficult? I mean, you do have to stick your own neck out instead of just pointing.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;853233]You would do more good to demand that your employer stop outsourcing to countries that have poor records on labour laws and human rights…India and China for instance.
If your company was forced to change their tactics in regards to people viewed as costs instead of assets, you would see change faster than boycotting goods.
Don’t give them the business to begin with.
seriously.
Is that one a little too difficult? I mean, you do have to stick your own neck out instead of just pointing.[/QUOTE]
Never gonna happen, world market and competition and all that.
We have out priced ourselves from the world market with the labour rates doe UNSKILLED labour.
with the rise of ren ming bi, the import from china to US will slow.
economic knows no boundary, or as chinese saying goes, money will follow or flow with money, or money is like a water, will go where is easy to go,
do you know chinese farmer turned laborers do not have good benefit or salary as the counterpart in the west.
what is cheap product in europe or us, are cheap labor of chinese farmers turned laborers in the factory.
or low inflationary rates on products and goods in the states are results of chinese laborers sweat.
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Chinese domestic issue with tibet and african policy
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no comment.
development of tibet.
it is a high ground, or difficult to reach area.
foreign capital is welcome in the coastal cities of china,
the economic development of the great far west is high on agenda,
yes, foreign capitals are welcomed to develop tibet.
however, most would stay with coastal cities with shipping routes, airports, rail roads and banking etc in place.
Tian Jin is the port for north china.
da lian and lu shun is for north east china.
Shang hai for central china and also for tibet. with railroad connections.
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Tibet with its forbidden terrains.
yes please foreign capital come to build roads and factories. I guess none would be interested.
are you interested?
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Ahhhhhh, China, no pesky Bill of Rights or any sign of a conscience with regard to due process.
A NeoCon’s wet dream.
Shows you have zero idea of what the term NeoCon and it’s history even means.
Neoconservatism is mainly based on the strict importance of foreign policy so America can maintain its lead role of superpower.
If you want to look at a side that does not understand the pesky bill of rights, than you have to look to the left with the socialists.
as far as government goes;
it governs people.
with 2200 years of dynastic rules or ruled by one family,
brief republican from 1911 to 1949.
now 4th gen of PRC.
mao->deng->jiang->hu/wen
yes, great leap forward destroyed agriculture and industries
yes, cultural revolution destroyed cultural and schoolings, more people died for starvation then people died during 8 years of resistence against japan invasion.
mao era ended with his passing.
it was unprecedented on so many levels in chinese history.
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deng came to power, he promised not to “rectify” the people involved in cultural revolution. meaning the final say was from mao.
deng broke the promises, he soon put “gang of 4” on trials.
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Tian An Men students demo, there were also many uprising or demo thruout china including tibet.
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Jiang came to power due to pro party comments and handpicked by deng.
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most think hu/wen are moderate and keen on economic development of china or catching up with 21st century.
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chinese people would know if a leader is good or not by what he or she did, does and will do.
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there are 4 types of leaders.
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zhi jun or a wise leader, he or she sees the future or with vision, he or she leads the people toward a better future. there are not many in chinese history or world history.
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ming jun, or understanding or knowing leader, he or she knows what is best for the people, however, he or she does not have enough abilities, he or she will recruit wise and good people to assit
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yong jun, ordinary leader, nothing good, nothing bad happens
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fun jun, low ability leader, he or she does not what is good or what is bad for the people, good people are abused, bad people may get away with things. etc
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we all know any change of dynasty or family rules, any change of party rule mean blood shed or bloody wars.
communist army rose up in 1927 due to about to be purged by nationalist party both within the party and army at the time.
so they broke away from KMT and ran its own government and army.
the rest is history.
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what I meant is that
chinese people enjoyed unprecedented economic growth at the present time or better than any other time during its 5000 years of history.
however, the social equality, health care, schooling for inland poorer or agricultural provinces–
like or it? development of tibet is included.
all the critical economic issues were addressed in the recent party annual meeting.
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how much can the current leadership achieve for both china and tibet?
we shall see.
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olympics is just athletic games.
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the survival of CPC depends on the continuance of open door policy and economic development.
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there are 1.3 billion people or subjects.
there are only 4 million CPC cadres.
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which is heavier? which is lighter?
what is more important?
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yes the livilihood of the people.
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For those who wish to boycott:
http://www.boycottmadeinchina.org/en/action_tools/
and thier links to Made in USA products
http://www.boycottmadeinchina.org/en/boycott_hub/alternative_shopping/
Not that I’m against buying products from developing countries, I’m actually for it, just not in China’s case.
with all the political posts;
I meant leave olympics alone,
let sports be sports.
let the athletes compete and enjoy their days of glory (in the sun).
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all the ongoing political strifes, contentions among ethnics, countries etc
please do not take away the thunders or spotlights from the athletes.
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live and let live.
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:D;)