i thought it was arms like iron, body like cotton,and head of glass…
simpleangles
mine is the shorter version ![]()
the traditional saying is “iron bridges, bean-curd body, glass head”
as to the way you can use chain punches:
there is nothing wrong in chain punching if each punch sticks to the bridges of your opponents hand. “sik kiu da” is perfectly fine. For instance, two-three punches over the trapped bridges at, say around the opponent’s stomach area is fine because both arms are accounted for…
I was taught always to follow-up with at least 3 chain punches. I was also told by someone that chain punching can get you back on your center if you’ve been attacked from different angles/more than one opponent.
John
Have little and gain;
Have much and be confused.
chain punching
one of the ways ive been shown to chain punch sorta works like this
if you have your opponent locked up, or your controlling hime with a wu sau, pak sau or whatever, hit him with one hand, replace your wu or pack or lon sau with the other hand, hit, replace hit etc
so basically, why bother returning your hand to chamber, when it can be better used to control your opponents body
so you just switch your controlling and hitting hand; raining blows away on your opponent - without losing control of his body and being like a machine gun
why have your hand sitting in front of your chest when instead you can be using it to control or debalance your opponent
peace
travis
if you never get into a fight,
you can never be defeated,
if you can never be defeated,
you are invincible
that’s precisely my point. Why leave both your opponent’s arms unaccounted for? Why not punch while doing pak, gam, lap, etc with each punch?
Don’t always have to use the hands…
It is possible to control the opponent’s bridges using just your punches. The distance and positioning of your body have to be close to the opponent and your sensitivity has to be developed. At the least, your elbow position, body structure, and pressing energy should sink their bridges or pin them. No hands needed. The elbow has to be down and directed by the body and horse. If the elbow is completely straight, then there is no leverage to control the opponent’s bridges and path to ground is broken.
This is all based upon what the opponent does and how he reacts of course.
regards,
Dzu
TjD
We call this trapping. It is taught at the intermediate level. At our school a beginner will follow-up with chain punches, an intermediate with trapping skills, advanced trapping skills…
John
Have little and gain;
Have much and be confused.
Empty Cup
I understand it is difficult to perceive the one punch as realistic. That’s by today’s martial standards, which are very low compared to the martial arts of our predecessors.
The one punch is the goal. (Efficiency)
Martial Joe
As a pursuer of the ideal Wing Chun, the one punch is my goal.
It is my goal also…I know of a man who can do this…he is friends with my sifu..cant wait to train with him and have him throw me around the room like a feather…my sifu said the man gave him whipplash once…
Martial Joe 
this, my friend, is where you and I differ.
One hit kill!?!?!?
Not the Wing Chun I learn. I would never assume that a single strike would do my opponent in. I alway go for multiple hits.
Granted the one “street fight” that i have good second hand knowledge of, the first hit feled the guy, but the next two were right behind just in case.
We were the other day disscusing the Karatika’s theory of the “one hit kill” and how they will take a few non-lethal blows in order to get it, but im just not there.
How in a fight do you know that first hit, even a good hit, ended your opponents will to fight? its a split second situation. I would alreay have the next attack on the way.
But hey thats ust me. ![]()
When every punch you throw has enough power to make a guy quite or fall to the ground is really good.If you have to hit the guy 10 times it isnt good,way to long…
I just realized this a while ago…
i think people get the wrong idea when they hear of chain punches like the bloke just runs in raining punches.
its for after the trap or what ever. but i read about blocking and hittting with both arms all the time. it reminds me of a karate drill. block,block ,block and hit. why not use the same hand to block and attack.
wong sheung leung said the hardest hitter he had ever meet was barry lee and he still tells us to hit atleast three times or until he falls. but once an opening is made then why let it close and have to make anouther. by chain punching properly you should be able to keep the hole open while controling the other persons hand. ![]()
OdderMensch
Key words: “not the Wing Chun I learned”
wing chun
i always thought wing chun was about ending the fight as QUICKLY as possible
it doesnt get much quicker than a 1 hit KO… now why would this not be part of your wing chun?
personally, if im in a life or death situation and i have to use my wing chun, itll be a biu to the eyes, some strike to the throat or an elbow to the temple. no messing around chain punching, ill hit them to make sure they dont get back up so i can walk away
peace
travis
if you never get into a fight,
you can never be defeated,
if you can never be defeated,
you are invincible
Real fights are seldom that simple. There are numerous factors that affect your performance negatively. In the kwoon under a relaxed environment, we all have perfect moves executed with perfect form. We have our one-hit KOs and lethal dim mak techniques. In a real fight, you’re lucky to get in a half-decent kick that’s not jammed, or maybe two blocks.
It’s unrealistic to always expect to drop the guy with the “one lethal hit”. Bius can miss and jam your fingers against a cheekbone, elbows are very close-range and can’t just be thrown without some hits to open the guy up beforehand. Even most of the blocks such as bong, pak, kwun are hardly used.
People who believe that they can drop a guy with one hit are living in a fantasy land. you can train to do that, but just don’t ecpect that to work in a real fight. Wing Chun is about multiple hits, combos, trapping and general overkill. It’s not about one hit. Otherwise why bother training anything but a strike? Why the combos? That violates Wing Chun principles.
why bother?
because you have to get that strike in
your oppoenent isnt going to sit there and roll with your hands
just because my first biu misses his eyes doesnt mean my second one will
you’d have to be a fool to stop hitting them after one strike and wait to see what the consequences are… training to be able to KO in one hit is a good thing, because in a fight youll hit that much harder
in a fight you should have no expectations - neither thinking you can down them in one blow or that it will take multiple hits
in a fight you want it to end it as quickly as possible, so you misunderstood me.. i said nothing about expectations, i said that i want to end the fight as quickly as possible, and this is one means to that end
why waste your time throwing out punches when you could be striking some vital area or KOing them?
training and reality are always different - but we still train
peace
travis
if you never get into a fight,
you can never be defeated,
if you can never be defeated,
you are invincible
IMHO if you can’t generate the power to drop someone in one hit, then your mechanics are in need of some work. This is not to say that I strive for the Karateka mentality of one hit one kill, but the ability to generate enough power to do the job should be in EVERY punch.
Some people believe that WC uses speed and less power to overwhelm the opponent so that each hit adds to the previous so that the cumulative power is enough to drop someone. The problem with this is that if the first punch is weak, the second one won’t land, and neither will the third. The first strike has to have enough power to disrupt and damage their center and set up the next strike.
Regardless of if I need one strike or 5 strikes, each strike should have sufficent and equal power to drop my opponent if I connect solidly. Sometimes, however, the opponent doesn’t want to stand there and take it so we need to use the tools of the WC system to open the door. Just because it’s in the system doesn’t mean we have to use it, but only if the situation requires it.
regards,
Dzu
“real fights”
EmptyCup, the concept of “real fight” that most people have, is not a matter of life and death. We should be thinking in terms of life & death situation, not play time.
just so we’re clear on that, Whipping Hand.
You say Tomato, I say ketchup
We both do WC and its all about livley disscuion, not I’m right so you must be wrong.
I guess i may have taken it a bit personaly, the idea that my WC is “no good” because i train to Chain Punch.
Now i agree 100% that WC should end the fight as quickly as possible, with the least movement, but I have still been trained to use multiple strikes even chan punchs if the oppertunity is there.
I’ve been looking at Videos that contain KO’s and in all of them the guy “wobbles” for a second before falling over. I think even with the brain “shutdown” for a bit the body remains standing on instint till the musscles relax or another outside force acts on the body.
SO lets assume the ideal punch is thrown and I am “on” and catch it with an noi-mon-choi to the soft strucures of the face. The jaring smashs his brain into the back of his skull, causeing a black out. Before it registers to me that he is KO’d my next two have come in unopposed and i am in range to start on the knee/ elbow/ shoulder strikes i love so much.
Remeber WC is desiened to be quick and effecent but also to protect oneself. If my first punch did not have the desred effect and the guy responds with a centerline attack (say a jab/cross) then my punch becomes a pak, jum or oi-mon-choi and we continue on.
Dont forget, to register as a KO
1)his brain must "shutdown for a bit due to blunt trama (ie my fist to his face)
2)i must see this happen
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my notoriusly slow brain must process the image, connect it to KO’s that ive seen, and…
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then i can stop hitting him.