jesper sez:
“So if an opponent leaves an oppening, you dont give him two three quick chain punches.”
It could work against a very low level opponent.
Surely developing greater skills than chain punching are very important.
Eventualy you will only need 2 punches to finish the fight. Proper stucture gives you this power.
S.Teebas
“So if an opponent leaves an oppening, you dont give him two three quick chain punches.”
There are always openings. Chain punching is a low level approach to taking advantage of them.
can someone just explain to me how that if there is an opening or a chance to use chain punching(ie 3-4-5 quick punches-maybe even only 2)to knock the opponent down or even just put him in a position for you to finish them that this is low level?
2 or 3 or 4 moves to finish an opponent sounds pretty efficient to me.
i can understand what you are all saying about it being low level(ie what you may teach a beginner if they have absolutely nothing else to use in a combat situation)but believe me when i say that if you think that chain punching is low level then you haven’t tried to deal with someone who is skiled & can use them with power.
vts
‘So if an opponent leaves an oppening, you dont give him two three quick chain punches."
There are always openings. Chain punching is a low level approach to taking advantage of them.’
wanking hand
you have again out done yourself with dribble.
if there is an opening,(to which you say that there always are) can you give us a high level appraoch to taking advantage of them?
perhaps your master, wan-king fist could give you some ideas.
vts
gee, you got me there.
vts
ps i noticed you have not been able to give even one answer to any of the questions asked of you?
boy am i surprised.
lets try again
Bravo Sierra:
I was being ironic. Most people who has done WC for more than a couple of years knows how to drop opponents with single punch, given the right circumstances.
But in a fight you never have ideal conditions, and shouldnt expect to do “one punch, one down” technics
yuan fen:
Of course you need to develop greater skills, but why over complicate things. If you can drop him with 2-3 chain punches, why not just do that.
Remember the old saying; K.I.S.S
As for chain punches only working against low level opponents, thats a stupid statement.
I find that if you hit with your first punch, 70-80 % of the time you will hit with your second punch also.
This I have done again and again, against both WC and other fighters.
And so what if he blocks your second or third punch. Then you just switch to other technics to finish him of.
vts:
Whipping hand did answer.
Since chain punches are among the first technics you learn, they are beneath him to use in a fight.
jesper sez:
yuan fen:
As for chain punches only working against low level opponents, thats a stupid statement.
yuan fen’s reply: Stupid? Really?
And chain punching mechanically (except as a drill)
is really intelligent wing chun?
one of the first basic timing drills is pak sao drills against chain punching drills.
If the opportunity is there and an opponent-likely low level- just keeps moving back and losing his root- chain punching may be a beginners answer.Chain punching is a drill for learning flow,reducing tension and coordinating oneself. As tactics it has its limitations, including predictable timing. Of course in certain situations a very very accomplished wing chun person can just chain punch againsta dumb guy- may sometimes even just drag him down by the ear
if the ear is near his hand…
Also a boxer type would just sidestep and hit when one is chain punching, a grappler would just smother, pickup the person and take him down.
Chain punching lacks “adjustment” to what a good opponent can do.
As the great wc expert Forrest Gump once said about
chain punching- stupid is as stupid does.
use what works
for any given situation. there is no formula to fighting.
meng shuo sez:for any given situation. there is no formula to fighting.
True! 
The chain punch is just as important as any other WC technique. There’s a time and place to use it just like everything else. My SiFu always tells me “all Wing Chun techniques are good”.
The chain punch however is probably the most misunderstood of Wing Chun techniques because of all the misenterpretations of it’s uses.
Saying that the chain punch is low level Wing Chun is like saying everything in Siu Nim Tau is low level Wing Chun.
It takes effort to learn to do something effortlessly
again let me ask all the experts who are saying it is low level-‘what is a high level technique that is more efficient when an opening presents itself.’
vts
vts sez
again let me ask all the experts who are saying it is low level-‘what is a high level technique that is more efficient when an opening presents itself.’
A non expert’s reply. Wing chun is not single technique bound for each situation. The best things are the ones that are most direct, simplest and most economical and has the best timing with least likelihood of losing control of yourself and over the other fellow. You began talking about chain punches- that’s plural.
After one opening the the opening may or may not be there a micro second later— so through timing, sensing,
feeling different combinations will emerge in good wing chun. Could be a pak punch combination
or many other things. Depends. Wong Shon Leung among several others reportedly pointed out that your opponent could help you pick your response-
that is different from mechanical chain punches irrespectuve of circumstances. 
seeing as though you want mention wong shun leung-
my sifu is one of wong’s senior students & was trained in the 70’s by wong to fight in challenge matches.
both he & wong used these low level techniques on more than one ocassion to win fights.
in fact it was said that quite often when wong fought it would take 2 punches & it was all over & that if you blinked you could have missed it.
yes the gap may only be there for a split second but again that is all takes to land a couple of quick & decisive blows.
again i am talking of chain punching when a gap arrives, why does this put just standing there & chain punching in everybodies mind.
how many people have had real fights here?not just one or two, how many against more than one opponent?
i am not saying i am a legend or anything but i have had to fight many times & sometimes against more than one(on 3 ocassions more than 4)
i can tell you also i have been hurt doing so & that some of them were boxers & not just your average joe’s off the street.
chain punching is efficient & definitely not low level.
the only reason for saying this is that i think you youself may be low level.
vts
sorry, i should add that i by no means am saying that chain punching is the be all & end all, odviously what you use to defeat an opponent will depend on the situation but i am just concerned by the fact that so many people don’t even seem to understand the system that they are practicing.
vts
[This message was edited by vingtsunstudent on 11-17-01 at 03:36 PM.]
vts sez
chain punching is efficient & definitely not low level.
the only reason for saying this is that i think you youself may be low level
Wonderful:
you have demonstrated your own level.
Good luck in your version of imitating Wong Shon Leung. My level? Who knows. We haven’t met. 
Quote from"The Combat Philosophy of Wong Shun Leung";
“When fighting, your opponent will be free to move
how he likes. Hence your movements will be determined by his actions.If your intentions are to hit your opponent above all else, then you may over commit yourself or allow your opponent to attack you easily. It is far better to allow your opponent to guide you during the fight, to show you how to hit him.” 
sorry yuan fen.
which part of this did you not understand to the piont that you think i am merely trying to imitate wong.
vts
‘sorry, i should add that i by no means am saying that chain punching is the be all & end all, odviously what you use to defeat an opponent will depend on the situation’
whoops yuan fen,
‘Chain punching is a drill for learning flow,reducing tension and coordinating oneself’
and i am the one who has demonstrated my level.
yep, i’m only a begginer.
odviously the piont is mute but go back & read my posts & tell me where i said that there are not other options & that a fight could go anyway & that your techniques will not be dictated by the way in which your opponent moves.
if you want to give me a hard time that’s fine but again i will state the chain punching is more than low level.
that is my opinion as you have yours(may i piont out if you want to talk low level, you mentioned pak punch combination-wow 2 moves that could be again simplified to 1, now there’s some advanced stuff)
[This message was edited by vingtsunstudent on 11-17-01 at 05:20 PM.]
‘Good luck in your version of imitating Wong Shon Leung’
by the way you are the one who bought wong’s name up.
i do not regurgitate sayings & the such so pull your head in & think for yourself.
vts