"Prime Minister David Cameron blames the riots that shook Britain over the past 10 days on a “slow-motion moral collapse … in parts of our country,” he said Monday.
Cameron listed problems including “Irresponsibility. Selfishness. Behaving as if your choices have no consequences. Children without fathers. Schools without discipline. Reward without effort. Crime without punishment. Rights without responsibilities. Communities without control,” in a speech in his constituency in Oxfordshire.
And he promised that the government will “review every aspect of our work to mend our broken society” in the coming weeks.
Thousands of people have been arrested and processed through courts working around the clock since violence erupted over the killing of a man in London during a police operation."
[QUOTE=stoic;1124564]This is the real problem–a collectivist belief that governments can solve these problems.[/QUOTE]
Correct.
Cameron will use this unrest to apply more oppressive measures to the working class citizens of the UK.
This is not a result, but a symptom of poor management of the country, it’s policies and it’s resources.
I don’t think Cameron is to blame for that. I think it’s been culminating for a long time. In my opinion, multiculturalism is in fact a farce and a failure and should be done away with.
Nothing wrong with having a complete and separate identity that is your own. Nothing is wrong with different cultures remaining themselves and not becoming some h0m0genous soup.
The only thing that multiculturalism has brought to our shores is further divide in the views of the electorate and an easy way to divide us against each other politically.
In every single country that has used it, it is seeing failure. UK isn’t the first to see the faults with it. Hopefully it is starting ground to setting it correct.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1124627]The only thing that multiculturalism has brought to our shores is further divide in the views of the electorate and an easy way to divide us against each other politically.
In every single country that has used it, it is seeing failure. UK isn’t the first to see the faults with it. Hopefully it is starting ground to setting it correct.[/QUOTE]
So why do you vote for people who promote that garbage? And why do you call me a racist when I point out differences in demographics?
But you’re right in that the problem has been brewing awhile. When you take fathers out of the equation, punish success, and reward laziness, anyone of average intelligence can see these problems coming.
They still hang onto the traditional value of class division.
They just like to outwardly pretend they don’t actually practice it.
I think India does this too with their Caste system
Oh sure, they say it’s not there and it’s not practiced, but hey, look at the myriad examples of just that taking place!
[QUOTE=Brule;1124677]The caste system is very much a reality in those cultures according to co-workers of the missus and here. Don’t let outward appearances fool you.[/QUOTE]
I don’t! lol
I remember when Obama got elected and all the posts popping up about how America wasn’t racists anymore! lol
I was like:
I have friends who think Canada doesn’t have racism… yes, they’re all white and they all live in upper middle class neighbourhoods. :rolleyes:
Economic downturns and riots are common cousins, no need for more explanation.
Unemployed young men in large numbers are traditionally a good indicator of possible rebellion.
Not everything supports our favorite paradigm. There were no good old days, unless we’re talking before scarcity drove humans out of areas that supported them.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1124684]Japan has been in an economic mess for over 10 years now. You don’t see them rioting and burning down parts of their cities.
It’s not so much about economics as it is about morals.[/QUOTE]
The Japanese culture is so far and apart. Do you think Japanese culture is anything at all like western culture? Do you think that the Japanese people have the same type of social contract as the one you live under or for that matter the brits?
they have an entirely different society so alien to your own that it is obvious to anyone who knows that, that to compare the British social sensibilities to those of the Japanese is on the face of it ridiculous.
It’s like kindergarten students vs University students as far as social constructs go.
Morals? What an empty idea. Who’s morals? The rich people’s morals or the poor people’s morals?
Is it moral for the billionaires to send jobs away from their countrymen?
Is it moral that only wealthy people have a say in governance of a country?
Is it moral to have religious commentary during political campaigns?
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1124684]Japan has been in an economic mess for over 10 years now. You don’t see them rioting and burning down parts of their cities.
It’s not so much about economics as it is about morals.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the Japanese are more moral than the brits, you’re absolutley correct, well proven.
This proves the superior moral character of atheists, given than most Japanese do not believe in religion as anything more than a customary practice to follow in a Confucian manner.
My problem with teh rioters is that they were not rioting against the british government.
they were in essence screwing themselves, hurting small business and having zero impact on the issue of the police, the government, the class separation that has been going on for decades and so on and so forth.
Not one rioter said or did anything that made me think in terms of that being a protest. It was frustration with socio-economic conditions, class separation frustration, racism frustration and so on.
people are fed up with being told they’re equal when in action, it is quite clear that they are not considered equal at all.
It has become standard to say: “I’m sorry I can’t hear what you are saying because your actions are speaking so loudly!”
the breakdown is moral all right. The kind of morals that Cameron and his crew should have and be spreading is not being done and so that reflection is ugly isn’t it?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1124690]Morals? What an empty idea. Who’s morals? The rich people’s morals or the poor people’s morals?
Is it moral for the billionaires to send jobs away from their countrymen?
Is it moral that only wealthy people have a say in governance of a country?
Is it moral to have religious commentary during political campaigns?[/QUOTE]
Why is it always rich vs poor with you? Or racism? Or religion? Morals are morals, be they in a rich family or in a poor family. And morals are also morals in both religious and non-religious households. And morals are morals no matter what the race of the family is.
It’s simple, in Japan the traditional family unit is present in alot more households than in Britain.
It’s amazing, we are seeing this crap in Britain and to a lesser extent in Philadelphia. And the PM of Britain and the Mayor of Philadelphia are both blaming the exact same things! Yet you want this to be another issue you can use to promote class warfare.
Any society that needs to look to political leaders for their morality is in trouble.
Also, people like to say “such and such riot failed, because of such and such,” but you can bet that governments faced with rioting in the streets are almost always forced to change something, though they may choose strong arm approaches as a short-term solution, eventually they are usually forced to make more substantial changes.
I see no evidence that British leaders are less moral than our leaders, same with the citizens.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1124700]
It’s simple, in Japan the traditional family unit is present in alot more households than in Britain.
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You do not have the expertise to make this assumption. First, Japanese culture is, on this front, traditionally far more lockstep than British culture, but it is not an issue of morality, but of custom. Second, the rationale is often based around unity no matter what, right or wrong. To see an example of another culture using the same idea, many Chinese are accepting of the PRC because they feel it is best to back it while it provides a strong economy, irrespective of other considerations.
Your argument conflates moral and non-moral issues.
Which gets to your statement that morals are morals, the same accross the board. This is flat out false by any standard.
[QUOTE=Taixuquan99;1124708]You do not have the expertise to make this assumption.[/QUOTE]
But I have the statisitcs to show that I spoke the facts:
“Living together, the all but universal prelude to parenthood in the West, has yet to reach high-rent, socially prudish Japan, as the low-to-vanishing illegitimacy rate, 1.1 per cent of births, indicates (Britain’s is around 24 per cent, Sweden’s nearing 60). Japan has more industrial robots than any country in the world; but robots don’t fall in love, have babies, or buy fridges and school uniforms.”
You’re splitting hairs and not getting my (or the PM or Mayor’s) point. It’s not why the fathers aren’t present that’s what needs to be discussed, it’s the fact that they aren’t present that is the problem.
