Busted TCM practitioners

Dr. Lamb?

Never, never, never go to an Asian doc named Dr. Lamb. :rolleyes:

Beauty therapist left clients blistered
Last updated 11:56 09/03/2010

A practitioner of Chinese medicine has been found to have breached patients’ rights after two women experienced severe reactions to hair removal treatment he provided.

Both women complained to the Health and Disability Commissioner after they developed redness, pain and blisters following intense pulsed light (IPL) treatment.

The first woman said she was told by the practitioner that she would need six treatments, for which she prepaid. After the first session, she was given an information sheet which warned of the possible side-effects of IPL.

She was also given an information sheet explaining the procedure. One of the steps outlined involved testing a patch of skin to determine sensitivity.

The commissioner’s report, released today, found the practitioner did not test the woman’s skin.

After four uneventful treatments, she experienced some redness on the fifth treatment and severe pain on the sixth. Within 36 hours her legs blistered and she sought help from a medical centre.

She also saw a dermatologist who told her too much energy had been used during the procedure.

She returned to the clinic where the practitioner agreed to fully refund her fees.

The second woman also agreed to six pre-paid treatments and did not have her skin tested. She experienced “very painful” and blistered legs after the third treatment.

She also visited a dermatologist who told her too much energy had been used during the treatment but that the hyperpigmented scarring on her legs would improve with time.

Deputy health and disability commissioner Rae Lamb found that the first woman had been given information about the treatment after her first session so she was not able to make an informed consent.

She also found that because the skin test was not performed on either woman, the practitioner had failed to follow the required safety procedures.

On Ms Lamb’s recommendation, the practitioner had further training, updated his procedure manual, and apologised to the women.

Ms Lamb also warned the practitioner that he needed to remove the title “Dr” from his clinic’s website as he was not a registered health professional.

The man told the inquiry he studied Chinese medicine and medicinal beauty in China and had performed IPL hair removal treatment to nearly 1000 clients over three years.

[QUOTE=GeneChing;994890]14%. Yikes.[/QUOTE]

That is why I go out of my way to make sure the herbs I buy and sell are tested.

way too many suppliers out there could care less and give their customers the lowest grades of herbs sold as highest grade.

This was why I started my business in the first place to offer people great medicine that will not break the bank as well as offer the best quality herbs.

They are much more expensive, but why would I harm people when I want to help them? It does not make sense, but then most people worship money too much to care about people.

caused more pain

Not established TCM practices? Imagine how would that fly with Western Medical malpractice…

Appeal against High Court unsuccessful for TCM physician
by Ong Dai Lin
05:55 AM Apr 30, 2010

SINGAPORE - For giving unapproved treatments to a dying patient in his Johor Bahru clinic, a traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) physician’s licence was revoked by the TCM Practitioners Board in April 2008.

In the High Court yesterday, Mr Huang Danmin, was unsuccessful in his appeal against the decision.

In January 2004, Mr Tan Nan Kee, 72, who was suffering from terminal rectal cancer, approached Mr Huang in his clinic in Rochor Road for an alternative treatment.

Although he visited the clinic regularly, Mr Tan was told on three occasions to visit Mr Huang’s second clinic in Johor Bahru.

On one occasion, Mr Huang gave Mr Tan an injection which caused the latter to experience an adverse allergic reaction.

In June 2004, Mr Huang told Mr Tan and his family he had an electro-thermal needle machine in the Johor Bahru clinic that may be able to treat Mr Tan’s condition.

By then, Mr Tan was bedridden, on an intravenous drip and dependent on morphine for pain relief. He was transported to the Johor Bahru clinic in an ambulance.

The use of the machine did not relieve Mr Tan’s condition but caused more pain. He returned to Singapore on June 6 2004, and died 15 days later.

Mr Huang’s lawyer, Mr Ismail Hamid, said yesterday the physician’s actions outside Singapore should not be held against him.

Said Mr Ismail: “His (Mr Huang’s) intention was to help the man but, somehow, things went wrong.”

Lawyer Rebecca Chew, who was acting for the Board, argued that Mr Tan and his family were consulting him as a TCM practitioner registered in Singapore.

She added that Mr Huang administered the injections and electro-thermal needle machine treatment on Mr Tan despite knowing that they were not established TCM practices. Justice Tay Yong Kwang also ordered Mr Huang to pay the Board its costs of appeal.

Toad venom?

I could go a lot of ways with toad venom. Shoot, where’s uki when you really need him? :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyone know more about Six God Tablets?

Crime Scene
Highlights From The Chronicle’s Crime Scene Blog

SAN FRANCISCO
Clinic head arrested for toad venom pills

The 81-year-old operator of a San Francisco clinic has been charged in federal court after he sold pills - purportedly for fighting colds - that contained arsenic and a hallucinogenic chemical found in toad venom, authorities say.

Edward Feng, the owner of Feng’s Holistic Healing Center at 1314 Utah St., also known as China House Clinic, sold a vial of pills to Kathleen Millikin of Watsonville in May 2009 that he said would combat the flu, investigators said.

Millikin, now 62, took four of the tablets and soon developed an earache, Special Agent Hilary Rickher of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration wrote in an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco.

About a day later, Millikin’s hands swelled, peeled and erupted in painful blisters, a condition that remained for a week, Rickher wrote. Millikin went back to Feng at his clinic - in the shadow of San Francisco General Hospital - and showed him her hands, and he “denied the tablets were the cause,” the affidavit said.

Feng wrote down the name of the tablets in Chinese on a piece of paper for Millikin, investigators said. Translated, it means, “Six God Tablet,” or “Six Spirit Pills.” An FDA analysis revealed that the pills contained arsenic and bufotenine, which is derived from toad venom.

In March of this year, an undercover FDA agent bought five vials of the pills from Feng, Rickher wrote. Feng conceded that the pills contained frog poison, but called it “good poison,” the affidavit said.

Millikin’s son, Nicholas Eckel, went to Feng around the same time as his mother for alternative treatment of his testicular cancer, Rickher wrote. A friend had told Millikin that Feng was a “foot acupressurist,” the affidavit said.

As part of the treatment, Feng jammed metal probes into Eckel’s foot, causing so much pain that he “could almost not walk after treatment,” Millikin told investigators.

Feng was arrested May 24 and charged with introducing misbranded drugs into interstate commerce. He is free on $10,000 bond. He is not licensed to practice medicine in California, nor does he have a Drug Enforcement Administration license to distribute controlled substances, the FDA says.

In an interview, Feng denied any wrongdoing, saying he only wants to help people.

Speaking in Mandarin and English, Feng said he has been a “Chinese traditional doctor” since 1982. “I helped hundreds and thousands of people before,” he said. He said he would not “try to make people sick.”

Millikin expressed delight that Feng had been charged, describing him as a “quack” who “almost killed my son.”

  • Henry K. Lee

Swiss acupuncturist charged in 16 HIV infections

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57503479/swiss-acupuncturist-charged-in-16-hiv-infections/

GENEVA — A self-styled healer has been indicted by a Swiss court on charges that he intentionally infected 16 people with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, in cases going back more than a decade, authorities said Thursday.

The unidentified man was indicted by a five-judge panel in Bern-Mitelland regional court on charges of intentionally spreading human disease and causing serious bodily harm, offenses that carry maximum penalties of five to 10 years respectively, said the regional prosecutor’s office in Bern, the Swiss capital.

The police investigation concluded that the man had used various pretexts to ***** his victims, but it remained unclear exactly what objects he had used. In other cases, the investigation found, the self-described healer — who is not HIV-positive — had served his victims drinks that made them pass out so he could infect them.

[QUOTE=TenTigers;967125]ok, these tui-na/acupuncture/massage places are popping up all over the place. I know of one “clinic” in my area that is known for their “happy endings.”
At first, since I am studying tui-na, I’m starting to notice these places more and more, and I was thinking,“Wow, there are an awful lot of people doing tui-na. I had no idea it was so popular.”

I wonder if my health insurance covers a rub n’ tug?[/QUOTE]

Maybe you should start following by example!

Singapore ethical standards

Intriguing case…

TCM physician successful in appeal for lighter sentence
By Amir Hussain, TODAY | Posted: 06 October 2012 0603 hrs

SINGAPORE: A Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) physician, who was censured by the TCM Practitioners Board for prescribing four Panamol (paracetamol) tablets to a patient, has been successful in his appeal to the High Court for a lighter sentence.

The board’s sentence was harsher than precedent sentences and Tang Yeow Leong, 52, had not prescribed any other medicine for the patient, Justice Lai Siu Chiu said on Friday.

She cut Tang’s three-month licence suspension to two months and reduced his S$5,000 fine to S$4,000.

Tang had prescribed the pills to a patient for acute backache after a TCM massage in May 2010. Under the TCM Practitioners Act, TCM physicians are only allowed to prescribe Chinese medicines.

Worried about the unlabelled tablets, the patient contacted the Health Sciences Authority, which lodged a complaint with the board after conducting an analysis one of the tablets.

An inspection of Tang’s clinic on Sept 16, 2010 also turned up small bags containing tablets of Panamol.

Tang’s lawyer, Mr Daniel Xu, said Tang had given the pills “kindheartedly” to a patient who was in “exceptional pain”. He argued that the board’s sentence was excessive. Mr Xu also asked for the fine to be reduced to S$2,000.

But board representative Rebecca Chew said attempts to breach or flout ethical standards should be viewed seriously.

scope of practice is scope of practice.

They were not herbal medicine in the least.

They have rules to protect patients as well as practitioners.

[QUOTE=Dale Dugas;1193494]scope of practice is scope of practice.

They were not herbal medicine in the least.

They have rules to protect patients as well as practitioners.[/QUOTE]

well said…

Slightly OT

How do you fence sea cucumber?

1 charged, 1 sought in Monterey Park sea cucumber, ginseng thefts
November 1, 2012 | 11:25 pm


Second suspect

Monterey Park police Thursday released an image of a second suspect in a string of recent robberies at traditional Chinese medicine stores.

The picture, pulled from a security camera on a Garvey Avenue storefront, depicts a man pacing in front of an herbal remedy store before, authorities say, he ran in and seized a container of ginseng.

Man Van Truong, 56, accused of being an accomplice, was arrested Monday and charged Wednesday with two counts of burglary and one count of attempted robbery. Truong remains in custody; bail was set at $120,000.

Police believe the two men could be involved with as many as three thefts at medicine stores within a week and at least one other theft at a San Gabriel store. In each case, police said, one of the men attempted to grab containers of the herbal remedies and flee into a waiting vehicle, which witnesses described as a black Honda sedan and gave similar license plate numbers.

Ginseng and sea cucumber are highly valued in Chinese medicine for a wide array of supposed healing properties. They are also highly valued on the black market: One pound of ginseng can retail for $300, and a pound of sea cucumber can cost more than $100.

Still, repeated daylight robberies of Chinese medicine stores are unusual, authorities said.

“I’ve never heard or seen anything like this before,” said Det. Gil Alvarez of the Monterey Park Police Department.

Anyone with information about the second suspect or similar thefts should call Alvarez at (626) 307-1226 or Det. Arlene Guevara at (626) 307-1428.

I’m guessing this is for a sick family member and they can’t afford the medicine. Or is there a significant black market for legal TCM herbs? I know there is a black market for the illegal stuff, but there’s always a black market for illegal stuff.

Acupuncture clinic BAWDY HOUSE!

Acupuncture clinic in Surrey shut down for allegedly selling sex
By Elaine O’Connor, The Province November 2, 2012

A Surrey acupuncturist has earned a pointed rebuke for allegedly running a bawdy house out of his acupuncture clinic.

John Hong Zou Zhang was found guilty of professional misconduct, banned from practising for three years and fined $21,500 last week by the College of Traditional Chinese Medicine Practitioners and Acupuncturists of B.C.

Zhang has been suspended from practising since January 2011, and his suspension will now continue until 2014, the College’s disciplinary committee ruled on Oct. 26.

The acupuncturist ran the former Hua Xia Traditional Chinese Medicine clinic in the 10100-block King George Boulevard, as well as a practice in Vancouver.

“It’s very upsetting to our practitioners,” College registrar Mary Watterson said Thursday.

“Most of our practitioners are dedicated health professionals and this sort of thing is abhorrent to them,” she said. “That’s why we are here, we want to make sure that this isn’t happening.”

The College began investigating Zhang on Jan. 11, 2011, responding to allegations he was offering the services of prostitutes at his clinic.

Their information was provided by Surrey bylaw officials who, together with Surrey RCMP, had been conducting surveillance on the clinic between October and December 2010. The city subsequently revoked his business licence.

Zhang was never criminally charged.

Surrey RCMP Sgt. Drew Grainger was involved in the surveillance operation at the time and said that investigators had even walked in on sexual activity taking place. He said the police decided to shut the business down using municipal bylaws instead of operating under the Criminal Code in order to act quickly.

“At the end of the day, the goal was to shut this business down to protect the public interest,” he said.

The officer added that massage parlours were often fronts for prostitution, but that “traditional medicine is a new spin on it.”

Watterson said the College regularly monitors websites and newspaper ads to see if any clinics are running such side businesses.

At the time of the investigation, the College stated that Zhang’s licence to practise was suspended pending the outcome as “allegations that the Registrant was illegally selling sexual services at his clinic raise serious safety concerns for patients of the clinic and members of the general public”

During the disciplinary hearings, two male customers testified that they had bought sexual services at the clinic.

A Surrey bylaw officer testified that their surveillance revealed boxes of condoms and opened wrappers, signs depicting sexual activities and a scantily clad female at the clinic.

Zhang can apply to practise again once his suspension ends but must agree to conditions on his practice, such as regular checks.

It is not the first time the College has had to discipline members for sexual offences. There have been several cases this year alone.

In February, the college found acupuncturist Zhi Li guilty of sexual misconduct for making sexual comments and touching a female patient, despite being warned earlier to have a female staff member present at all times. His licence was suspended until January 2013 and he was fined $7,400.

In April, the college disciplined Ke Qiang Cen, the owner of KK Acupuncture Clinic in Richmond, for also allegedly operating the business as a bawdy house, offering “happy endings” or prostate massages to clients, among other allegations. He was reprimanded for professional misconduct and fined $5,000, among other penalties.

And in June, Christopher Daniel Gerow, a traditional Chinese medicine practitioner in Comox, was suspended from practice pending the outcome of an RCMP investigation into allegations of sexual touching from two female patients.

What is the Chinese term for prostate massages? Some one here has got to know. Dale?

[QUOTE=GeneChing;1195844]What is the Chinese term for prostate massages? Some one here has got to know. Dale?[/QUOTE]
I think his comment about how his “door is always open” refers to something else…

[QUOTE=GeneChing;1195844]their surveillance revealed boxes of condoms and opened wrappers, signs depicting sexual activities and a scantily clad female at the clinic.[/QUOTE]
that’s almost Pythonesque in it’s phrasing - so, when they say signs depicting sexual activity, do they mean like this?

I have no idea how to say prostate massage and have NO desire to learn.

nasty bad people pimping out TCM for the sex.

busted for a fungus that grows on a kind of caterpillar

I know, I know, most likely cordyceps, but it sure sounds funny taken out of context.

TCM thief sentenced to 10 years
Global Times | 2012-11-20 23:30:06
By Lu Chen

A 26-year-old Shanxi Province man was sentenced to 10 years in prison and fined 10,000 yuan ($1,603.68) for stealing 1.44 million yuan worth of a rare type of traditional Chinese medicine, a local court announced Tuesday.

The defendant, surnamed Xue, stole more than 5,000 grams of the medicine, a fungus that grows on a kind of caterpillar, after he broke into a drug store in Pudong New Area on May 24, according to a press release from Shanghai Pudong New Area People’s Court. He then fled to Beijing.

"The drug store does not have guards on duty at night and the valuable fungus had not been put away in a special refrigerator like usual. All of this made it easier for Xue to steal it, said Fu Xinzhen, a press officer with Shanghai Pudong New Area People’s Court.

Beijing police discovered 4,313 grams of the fungus at his home in the capital when they arrested him later that month.

The fungus, which is used to treat cancer and bolster a patient’s constitution, only grows in high altitudes such as the plateaus of Sichuan, Yunnan and Qinghai provinces, as well as the Tibet Autonomous Region. The fungus is expensive because it is scarce and difficult to produce.

Xue earned 85,000 yuan selling a portion of the fungus he stole. He returned the rest to the drug store after he was caught, according to the court. He also confessed to breaking into three stores in Beijing and stealing more than 20,000 yuan worth of goods.

Slightly OT…

…and completely ghastly.

Female doctor axed to death in Chinese hospital
A female doctor has been axed to death by a patient in the northern Chinese city of Tianjin in the latest act of violence in the country’s hospitals.
By Malcolm Moore, Beijing
12:59PM GMT 29 Nov 2012

Kang Hongqian, 47, was attacked and killed in her clinic on the second floor of the No 1 Hospital, which is affiliated to the Tianjin University of Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Ms Kang was the head of the hospital’s acupuncture department and on duty at the time. Her murder is one of a wave of thousands of attacks in recent years by patients who are frustrated at China’s health care system.

There was no clear motive for the attack, and the assailant, who has not been named, jumped out of a window afterwards, injuring himself seriously.

Wang Hongdong, the hospital’s chief spokesman, said the man had smuggled in the axe after lunch, when security guards and doctors were on a break. He added that the hospital had increased its security this year, in line with new directives from the health ministry.

"He arrived around 1pm and some people saw him, but thought he was a patient. He came straight to the second floor and he looked perfectly normal all the way.

“He has been treated at the psychiatric department of the hospital before and is suffering from depression. He has also been treated at the acupuncture department twice and has never complained to the hospital before.”

Mr Wang said he did not think the attack was driven by revenge. “Dr Kang has always had a good reputation with her patients. She had breast cancer last year and had just come back from a course of chemotherapy.”

He added that the man had been taken to another hospital for emergency treatment after his jump and is now in a stable condition.

Despite an injection of more than £150 billion into the Chinese health system in the past three years, the frustration of Chinese patients is growing rapidly.

Doctors are underpaid and overworked and rely on selling medicine or extra fees in order to make money. Patients are charged high prices for treatment in what is supposed to be a public health care system.

In July, 17-year-old Li Mengnan was convicted of murder after stabbing four hospital staff to death in a hospital in Harbin. However, he received a surprising amount of public support for his drastic act, with two-thirds of respondents to a poll on the People’s Daily website sympathising with him.

In 2010, there were more than 17,000 “incidents” aimed at hospital staff, up from 10,000 five years earlier and the Lancet, a medical journal, has pronounced that “China’s doctors are in crisis”.

A letter to the journal from a Chinese medical student, Li Jie, said “the deteriorating relationship between doctors and patients has turned medical practice in China into a high-risk job”.

In September 2011, a 54-year-old cancer patient stabbed a doctor 17 times after an argument. In April this year, Chen Yuna, a doctor in Hunan province was stabbed 28 times in the neck, chest and stomach by Wang Yunsheng, a 25-year-old migrant worker with drug-resistant tuberculosis

It seems like acts of frustration and anger and pain, they ( the patients) are just acting out on the wrong people.

Slightly OT…

There’s legal action with this school, so it’s sort of like been busted.

Victoria’s oldest school of traditional Chinese medicine closes its doors
Katherine Dedyna / Times Colonist January 11, 2013


The Canadian College of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine was housed in this building at Chatham and Government streets. Photograph by: ADRIAN LAM, Times Colonist

The doors of Victoria’s oldest school of traditional Chinese medicine have closed, and after more than a year, there are no plans to reopen them.

Legal machinations continue between the former principal of the Canadian College of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine and the former board of the college’s operator, the East West Medical Society; the building that housed it is the subject of a court-ordered sale.

The college, which was among the oldest in Canada, operated for nearly 30 years, and moved in 2002 to Chatham and Government streets, where the building is listed for sale at $1.495 million. (That’s down from $1.7 million last March, said real estate agent Griff Lewis of DTZ Barnicke, who is handling the sale on behalf of the receiver.)

The B.C. Supreme Court ordered the sale and receiver Marty Eakins of Hayes McNeill & Partners Ltd. said he was unable to discuss the issue because of ongoing litigation.

SUIT, COUNTERSUIT

Former principal Dr. Xiaochuan Pan said he rescued the college from financial failure, but has paid a steep price for his efforts.

Pan, 55, who operates his own clinic of traditional Chinese medicine on Government Street, is suing the East West Medical Society for $386,717 for loans and other money advanced to the school between 2004 and 2009. In a countersuit filed with the B.C. Supreme Court, the society denies owing any money to Pan and asks for damages.

Pan said he injected major money into the society’s account — staving off bankruptcy — in 2004 and did not draw a salary for five years as principal. In return, he said, there was an agreement that he would be able to buy the building and the school at a favourable price down the road.

The lawsuits and countersuits are complex enough to have generated “thousands of pages” of disclosures by both sides, said lawyer Sinclair Mar, who is representing Pan.

STUDENTS ‘;FREAKED’

The college closed suddenly in May 2011, sending students and teachers into a panic, recalled Sherry Gaudet. Like most students, she was placed at another local school. Thanks to tuition coverage from the Private Career Training Institutions Agency of B.C. — a Crown corporation that regulates private colleges — few lost time or money.

Still, “everyone was freaked, sad and angry,” Gaudet said.

Seven students made claims for compensation to continue their education elsewhere, for a total of just under $20,000, said agency registrar Karin Kirkpatrick.

“At the time of closure, the school had refund cheques prepared for students but could not deliver them as they had been served with a court order for preservation of all assets by Dr. Pan’s lawyer, so we ended paying out of the [agency] fund instead,” Kirkpatrick said in an email to the Times Colonist.

LEGAL FIGHTS GO ON

In January 2010, Pan sued the East West Medical Society, one of its directors and a former director for inducing breach of contract.

In its statement of defence, the East West Medical Society argued that Pan repudiated the contract made in 2004 by requesting to purchase only the property and not the college. Pan “declined to receive compensation of any type whatsoever” when it tried to pay him a salary, the society said, and it denies any unjust enrichment due to its relationship with him.

Further, in a counterclaim, the society claims Pan was suspended as college principal for cause on Dec. 16, 2009, citing breach of his financial duties, significant overcharges for herbal medicines he supplied and frustrating the society’s attempt to refinance operations with the Royal Bank of Canada.

Pan counterclaimed that if the society suffered any damages or losses, it was its own doing.

Victoria lawyer John Adams, who represents the East West Medical Society, said he was not able to discuss the lawsuit with the media.

TURNING POINT

Pan, who immigrated to Canada 12 years ago, said he put most of his family’s money into the college.

Five years into his relationship with the Canadian College, both finances and academics were “going really well,” he said in an interview, noting that the school was already associated with two universities in China.

But in late 2009, Pan was banned from the college property, and some board members determined he could no longer buy the property, said Mar, his lawyer. Pan’s statement of claim says the society no longer honoured the agreement and demanded a purchase price of $1.4 million.

In May 2012, the new board applied to place the society into receivership. The receiver has continued the claims against Pan and his wife, Mar said.

“Apart from any legal issues in action, the question remains as to whether there was fair treatment for Dr. Pan for his financial support and personal dedication over the five years without pay,” Mar said.

Ultimately, the courts will decide.

[QUOTE=GeneChing;1199655]…and completely ghastly.[/QUOTE]

If only China would recognize mental illness on par with ‘developed nations’, there could be some positive outcomes to allow for appropriate use of medication and psychotherapy to alleviate the burdon from herbal medicine, prescription, which fit the description of placebo and may even aggravte said condition.

[QUOTE=GeneChing;968093]She’s fully certified and doesn’t advertise at all. Her business is strictly word-of-mouth and she’s constantly dealing with rather obvious undercover cops trying to book appointments. They’re pretty easy to figure out since all of her recommendations are chart-able. So it’s troublesome both ways.[/QUOTE]

I know this post is old, but is still relevant. I always wondered how does one deal w/ nonsense when a place is obviously a legit TCM clinic? I think a lot of Americans and probably “westerners” in general don’t realize how inter-twined TCM and CMA are linked together within the traditional cultural context of the Chinese culture.
But as people have mentioned there are many non-legit places that pop up that give clinics a bad name- some probably involved in human trafficking, gangs etc.
Some years ago while attending a Tai Chi class 2 guys had come into my teacher’s studio, and were leaving as class was starting. They had obviously received treatment before class and said “it wasn’t what they were expecting” and were “disappointed.” Now by this time class had filled up with about half a dozen of us for Chen style Tai Chi and Push Hands. My teacher invited those two men to observe the class which they did for about 10 minutes, they kept looking at each other puzzled, then slunk their way out the door.
Now what got me was this- my teacher is a Chinese doctor. she is also a tai chi and qigong master, having expanded her training w/ some quite prolific masters such as master’s Feng Zhi Qiang, Li De Yin (one of her teacher’s from China who visited) and the list goes on. She has newspaper clippings & certificate’s on her wall about her Tai Chi school/ medicine clinic, several of her books/ DVD’s are displayed on the front counter, she has a room full of herbs, her son, husband sometimes work there, and a couple of the people she employs are caucasion etc. How the heck did those 2 guys think they would have a good time at this place? It puzzled me.
Do some people simply have no clue whatsoever? Oh well I think my teacher did a good job by starting class and having them observe- and when you watch my teacher lead a class you are watching a master. I just couldn’t believe these guys could be so stupid, and also, I found it insulting.
During one of our kung-fu movie nights my teacher said Chinese masters of kung fu were always also doctors/ knew medicine in the old days as we were watching “Iron Monkey”.
Anyway. End rant. It would be good to get someone else’s take on the issue who understands what I’m trying to get at here.. in other words, how do we educate people? Maybe they’ll just never know? What about undercover cops and for lack of better word “not-so-nice” people in an obviously legit clinic? If I was one of those people I would’ve walked through the door, seen the obvious, taken a pamphlet about classes offered from the front to be polite and walked on out of there…

[QUOTE=GeneChing;1195844]What is the Chinese term for prostate massages? Some one here has got to know. Dale?[/QUOTE]

I believe its “Thank you Bawang, may I have a another?” My Chinese is a little rusty…