[QUOTE=The Willow Sword;816942]I wonder what ever happened in this case? I knew lorenz personally, was very suprised when i discovered this.
Peace,TWS[/QUOTE]
I knew Lorenz too, he was a very good Martial Artist. I was very surprised as well since I had seen him with some very hot of age women. Doubly surprised to see that such a promising martial artist would throw his career away. I understand he did some time, not sure how much, but I understand that he is out now.
It is one of the saddest issues going on in the world today
I teach child saftey , if what I do saves one child from being molested
( let alone killed) I will die a happy man.
I started it a few years back through an after school recreation program
for elementary kids…I now have it going through the city in their youth program…
I’ll help any one , any age, anytime,
Do you know about Jesseca’s Law ?
To think a M/A teacher would do this ? Who did they learn M/A from ?
This brings up another issue that has always that has always bothered me.
Standization of all M/A.
A goverment or state program to regulate , certify, and control it.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;816807]…but it’s not sexual, thankfully. It’s just odd. You need to go to the site and see the pic to really judge.[/QUOTE]
I could see where parents would be concerned about the pic but since when are horror movies, MA and RPGs “mind disturbing interests”? This reminds me of a discussion i think mr. punch brought up a while ago about violent video games.
[QUOTE=SIFU RON;817250]It is one of the saddest issues going on in the world today
I teach child saftey , if what I do saves one child from being molested
( let alone killed) I will die a happy man.
I started it a few years back through an after school recreation program
for elementary kids…I now have it going through the city in their youth program…
I’ll help any one , any age, anytime,
Do you know about Jesseca’s Law ?
To think a M/A teacher would do this ? Who did they learn M/A from ?
This brings up another issue that has always that has always bothered me.
Standization of all M/A.
A goverment or state program to regulate , certify, and control it.
Best to U
God save the children ![/QUOTE]
Im not sure about now, but when the Brits still controlled Hong Kong you supposedly had to be a member of your styles “Athletic Association”, which was registered with the Govt. in order to operate a martial arts school as a business.
This let your style decide who was fit to teach, but still gave some record keeping ability ty the Govt.
As bad as MA pollitics are now, imagine how much worse it would be with a government body deciding whether or not you were qualified to teach. Or regulating what you could teach. Who would decide? A beureucrat? Some MA from a different style who was appointed by the state? We have enough arguments now about who is qualified for what. As tempting as it is, Govt. involvment of any kind sounds like a bad idea to me.
But maybe crimminal background checks for senior staff wouldn`t be a bad idea to get a business liscence.
[QUOTE=SIFU RON;817250]This brings up another issue that has always that has always bothered me. Standization of all M/A. A goverment or state program to regulate , certify, and control it. Best to U God save the children ![/QUOTE]
it’s not about standardization of MA, it’s about screening of individuals who are in contact with children in any sort of capacity where their parents are absent - for example, I work in schools as a PT, and aside from my own license, registration and malpractice, I need to have state clearance including fingerprinting, background check, clearance from Dept of Health, clearance from each individual district, a mandated child abuse training class, ID in the buildings, and even still I will almost never treat in a room alone with a child, and certainly never with a door closed if I am; my point is that, it seems almost ridiculous that I have to go through all this, and then parents can just drop off their kid somewhere with someone who has no background check and no real training about how to even spot abuse if they see it (let alone cause it); so again, I agree with your sentiment, I think it just needs to apply across the board to anyone who is dealing with kids (dance, gymnastics, whatever, doesn’t matter, they should all be held to some sort of clearance standard)
it’s not about standardization of MA, it’s about screening of individuals who are in contact with children in any sort of capacity where their parents are absent - for example,
Bingo.
What this comes down to is PERSONAL responsibility, not any governing body.
Parents need to get off their fat, retarded assess and put in the work to help prevent this sort of occurance. Take any number of these cases and if you track its breakdown you can often see a lack of commonsense or outright dumbf@ckness coming from the kids own family.
It costs you NOTHING to run a quick pedo search on people, do it on your kids school teacher, do it on your kids karate teacher, their dance coach, your neighbors, your sister in laws new boyfriend.
this **** is sick, as a community we should smack the **** out of these people if we ever run into them, they give us all a bad name, just like hollywood is known for liberals who wont keep their mouth shut on politics and underage kids getting trashed and crashing their cars- if this **** continues the martial arts world will be known for being kiddie rapists
[QUOTE=1bad65;816840]Jody Plauche’ made national headlines in March
1984 when he was abducted by his karate teacher
and taken to Los Angeles, Ca. FBI officials
rescued Jody and his abductor was arrested. Upon
his karate teacher’s return to Baton Rouge, La.,
Jody’s father, Gary Plauche’, in front of a local
television camera, shot and killed the man who
kidnapped and sexually molested his son. The
sexual abuse had occurred for a period of more
than one year.
a few things i wanted to asay about this. i am not for vigilantism but in this father’s position i probably would have done the same or simialr thing. the only difference is i would have shot below the waste to avoid murder/attempted murder charge. and if my aim is decent enough that shot could prevent him from abusing more kids and i would serve an agravated assault with deadly wepaon charge for that. but i am curious what sort of punishment the father got for this.
a few things i wanted to asay about this. i am not for vigilantism but in this father’s position i probably would have done the same or simialr thing. the only difference is i would have shot below the waste to avoid murder/attempted murder charge. and if my aim is decent enough that shot could prevent him from abusing more kids and i would serve an agravated assault with deadly wepaon charge for that. but i am curious what sort of punishment the father got for this.
Well i would have gone for the head. Its what should be done to EVERY child molester out there and every pederast who chooses to abuse an innocent child.
Its the one thing that hard liner neo cons and i can agree on.
[QUOTE=BruceSteveRoy;817355]a few things i wanted to asay about this. i am not for vigilantism but in this father’s position i probably would have done the same or simialr thing. the only difference is i would have shot below the waste to avoid murder/attempted murder charge. and if my aim is decent enough that shot could prevent him from abusing more kids and i would serve an agravated assault with deadly wepaon charge for that. but i am curious what sort of punishment the father got for this.[/QUOTE]
If you shoot someone, you will be charged with attempted murder. Even if you don’t aim for the head or heart, the victim could well bleed to death.
The father got probation. 5 years I believe, it was not long. It was a plea bargain. The molester’s family was upset, but the prosecutor said if it had went to trial he doubted he could find a jury that would convict the father. So he offered a pretty light deal and it was accepted.
a few things i wanted to asay about this. i am not for vigilantism but in this father’s position i probably would have done the same or simialr thing. the only difference is i would have shot below the waste to avoid murder/attempted murder charge. and if my aim is decent enough that shot could prevent him from abusing more kids and i would serve an agravated assault with deadly wepaon charge for that. but i am curious what sort of punishment the father got for this.
Missing man parts does not preclude sexual abuse. :rolleyes:
I just found out from my friend/mentor that there have been 5 or 6 teachers in the WNC mountains over the last 2 decades that have been caught at this. One of them, right here in town, has been caught twice in the last 5 years. We were discussing the state of martial arts in the region and he was stipulating that this is a factor in why few schools do well here.
[QUOTE=1bad65;817494]If you shoot someone, you will be charged with attempted murder. Even if you don’t aim for the head or heart, the victim could well bleed to death.
The father got probation. 5 years I believe, it was not long. It was a plea bargain. The molester’s family was upset, but the prosecutor said if it had went to trial he doubted he could find a jury that would convict the father. So he offered a pretty light deal and it was accepted.[/QUOTE]
Good
deal for the father. I can understand his position and theirs.
[QUOTE=eomonroe00;817334]this **** is sick, as a community we should smack the **** out of these people if we ever run into them, they give us all a bad name, just like hollywood is known for liberals who wont keep their mouth shut on politics and underage kids getting trashed and crashing their cars- if this **** continues the martial arts world will be known for being kiddie rapists[/QUOTE]
They’re are so many, though. You’d have to have a pretty nice Iron Hand if you want to kick it off.
Psych. evals should be standard for all teachers of minors. Seriously, look at what goes on in the school system. These female harpies that prey on the sexuality of pubescent boys (just as damaging as male-female); the pederasts that prey on young girls and boys. The priests that take advantage of the trust the children give them.
Why haven’t we instituted mandatory psychological evaluations for all teachers entering into this line of work, dealing with children? Yes, the priests, too.
Actually, I’m editing this post: if you required psych. evals, there’d probably be no teachers to begin with (especially in Tae Kwan Do)…LOL…
SUFFOLK, Va. - A martial arts instructor has been arrested for kicking an 11-year-old student more than 200 times, causing internal injuries and possibly breaking a rib.
Police say 47-year-old Susan Bateman of Hampton was arrested November 20th and charged with one felony count of child endangerment.
Police Lieutenant D.J. George says Bateman issued a challenge November 7th during class at a Suffolk dojo to see how many kicks to the abdomen students could take. Students got into a push-up position while Bateman kicked, stopping when the student either said to or went to his or her knees.
George says the 11-year-old boy and another student took more than 200 kicks as the class counted.
The student didn’t tell his parents until he needed medical attention