you got to try some Tri Tip…awesomely good.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1085437]nice. he definately was overwhelmed. do you know if this is the first time he has ever sparred against someone that is not a boxer?[/QUOTE]
it looked like his first time sparring hard with anyone to be honest and looked totally unused to taking any form of contact (which is one thing a boxer does not have a problem with)
On a side note no one was diminishing the CLF guys performance, what we were saying is that that guy did not look anything like a boxer in action as any of us with boxing expereince recognise it…but it seems he train’s at a boxing gym and wanted to spar a kung fu guy so that takes nothing away from him or the CLF guys performance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_reh-a53Kyw&feature=channel_video_title
The gentleman I kick in the leg in this video was a Boxer as well. One leg kick softened him up considerably.
I boxed for several years under former WBO champion Otis Grant. I have a lot of respect for boxers, but like anyone else, they come in all talents and abilities. Regardless, 15 seconds of video is never enough to judge someone’s abilities. Ive seen poor fighters on tape, such as if I’m studying one for an upcoming fight, who are tremendously strong in person.
Cheers.
The kid in white hasn’t boxed a day in his life. wtf?
come on guys that was bullshit.
may as well say he’s a wrestler or some other crap.
It’s clear he ain’t nothing but a target for the kung fu player. :rolleyes:
The kid in white hasn’t boxed a day in his life. wtf?
come on guys that was bull****.
may as well say he’s a wrestler or some other crap.
It’s clear he ain’t nothing but a target for the kung fu player.
I’m really amazed at the responses by some of you guys!!!
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1087688]I’m really amazed at the responses by some of you guys!!![/QUOTE]
why? is the clip a joke we weren’t supposed to take seriously?
In that case, ok. lol 
But if it was serious…well, that kid is NO boxer. Period. Why sell him as such. I know 14 year old juvenile boxers that would beat the guy in a white shirt down with the moves he has. lol
But if it was serious…well, that kid is NO boxer. Period. Why sell him as such. I know 14 year old juvenile boxers that would beat the guy in a white shirt down with the moves he has. lol
So for the guy to be fairly called a BOXER he has to be a seasoned professional? I don’t recall anyone saying anywhere that the boxer was golden gloves or any type of champion.
However, if the guy in the ring only studies boxing…doesn’t that make him a boxer? I mean it was obviously his chosen sport.
again, no one said the guy was of any type of high caliber, just that he was a boxer…skilled or not, the method he chose to train was boxing…sucky or not.
Hey Dave, where in Canada are you from? I’m in Toronto.
Look, in case you didnt read the thread. I was asked by this guy to spar at a boxing gym. He boxes there.
Period. So I put it up. Didn’t write he was an amazing boxer or anything.
Incidentally, I was at the gym the other day and watched him box in the ring, and he’s actually quite good. I think the no gloves, and the chat we had before kinda threw him off a bit.
Don’t give me flak because I fought someone who asked to be fought. If you came around me and asked the same thing, I’d oblige and spar you as well. You’re also making massive judgments on an edited video. I just put it these parts which had some more classical elements of BSCLF in it.
Cheers. Also, just chatting with Kin Sze here, formerly from Hong Luck, he seems to have heard of your name long ago. Did you have a school at some point here?
Period. So I put it up. Didn’t write he was an amazing boxer or anything.
I mean REALLY! Tell someone “hey, i sparred a boxer today” or “hey, i sparred a grappler today” and because the boxer, grappler, kung fu guy is not the status of GSP, bas rutten, or mike tyson these maniacs of this forum will put the skill set down of anyone who is not a FAMOUS fighter.
It only bothers me so much. With over two decades of training under my belt, and with both amateur and prof. fights under my belt, I can decipher myself who is a talented opponent, versus who is not. Then again, just last week like I was telling you Frank, I fought a National Thai Boxing champion, and he came across as bad. So fighters can be good but also have bad days.
Regardless, it’s a video of me sparring a guy at a boxing gym who told me Gung Fu wasn’t effective…I don’t see the problem with the video, at all, or how I dealt with it.
Ps, speaking of Bas Rutten, I got to train with him several times and I put up a small video of some of his work at the gym.
It only bothers me so much. With over two decades of training under my belt, and with both amateur and prof. fights under my belt, I can decipher myself who is a talented opponent, versus who is not. Then again, just last week like I was telling you Frank, I fought a National Thai Boxing champion, and he came across as bad. So fighters can be good but also have bad days.
Regardless, it’s a video of me sparring a guy at a boxing gym who told me Gung Fu wasn’t effective…I don’t see the problem with the video, at all, or how I dealt with it.
yup yup! 
[QUOTE=BDBSK;1087703]Hey Dave, where in Canada are you from? I’m in Toronto.
Look, in case you didnt read the thread. I was asked by this guy to spar at a boxing gym. He boxes there.
Period. So I put it up. Didn’t write he was an amazing boxer or anything.
Incidentally, I was at the gym the other day and watched him box in the ring, and he’s actually quite good. I think the no gloves, and the chat we had before kinda threw him off a bit.
Don’t give me flak because I fought someone who asked to be fought. If you came around me and asked the same thing, I’d oblige and spar you as well. You’re also making massive judgments on an edited video. I just put it these parts which had some more classical elements of BSCLF in it.
Cheers. Also, just chatting with Kin Sze here, formerly from Hong Luck, he seems to know you. Did you have a school at some point here?[/QUOTE]
Cool! I’m close by. I live up in Markham!
I was commenting based on what the guy did when confronted with the attacks.
He had no footwork, no covering and couldn’t get out of the way of a linear attack.
So, no, he doesn’t need to be pro, but… I think that dude was pretty fresh to it.
So, maybe the no gloves thing kind of freaked him out a bit? I dunno, but his movement was contrary to what a boxer learns.
I don’t think I’m giving anyone flak, I’m just saying, that guy is not exactly an example of what I would say is boxing. But good for you for educating him I guess. Clearly he wasn’t skilled enough at boxing to be issuing challenges.
If I’m making massive judgments based on an edited video, then it would be just as fair to say you’re making massive assumptions with the very same video right?
Kin Sze… not sure. Maybe from a forum? Been a while since made a trip down town. Rings a bell, just not that loud.
I train with another guy. We do privates only no open club.
I ran an open one before out of my home, but as you may know, committed people to ANYTHING are hard to come by. So, I switched to private sessions only and that has been a lot better. You don’t get hunt and peck types or asked to babysit brats and so on. lol
So, I switched to private sessions only and that has been a lot better. You don’t get hunt and peck types or asked to babysit brats and so on. lol
Amen.
Yo, BDBSK..
You said you sparred with some Bak Sing players from Oz. Who were they and I’d like to hear more on this. Message me if you prefer.
Everyone else..
Regardless of the skill of the opponent, I once again point out BDBSK sparred with CLF style. I am sure his teacher has seen the footage and they’ve spoken about the friendly match in terms of learning and progressing. When I was a young BSCLF lad in my teens and we fought everyone and any style/kwoon that would put up and put them little leather bag gloves on…we sat after wards and LEARNED from the experience. This is what ALL MAtists should be doing. It is no less than what any BSCLF kwoon will do. Booyah!
P.S> I fought a TKD black belt who was part of the Canadian TKD team for international competition and he sucked! I was a teenager, he a young adult. Apparently they didn’t train aggressiveness and he wasn’t use to getting chapped in the neck and run out of the ring.
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Actually, I don’t think the boxer is as bad as everyone’s making him out to be. People don’t seem to be taking into account that this is 32 seconds of a much longer fight. The exchange that starts around 10 seconds seems to show the boxer briefly holding his own. Now, I’m definitely not saying that he’s as good as BDBSK, just not as sucky as everyone keeps saying.
I also feel that the wide arcing arm movements could be dealt with more easily by someone who’s familiar with that style. If you can protect against leg kicks, I’ve found that a simultaneous upper block and counter punch is an effective counter to this (like pao chuan in Hsing I). The boxer in the video seemed to be too slow to deal with this.
BSCLF is related to my style (Buk Siu Lum) so I’m only saying this as someone who’s experimented with these same sorts of techniques. Against more experienced MA’ists I’ve found that fighting in a more compact way is usually more effective. I’ve found the wide arm movements can work as a sort of “trick” because people don’t usually see this sort of thing and they usually don’t expect the rapid follow up technique that’s headed their way, but it seems to me that a skilled fighter who uses, let’s say, Hsing Yi or some other more compact style can more effectively come in and start peppering you with punches and kicks while one of your arms is out of the picture.
[QUOTE=Siu Lum Fighter;1087814]Actually, I don’t think the boxer is as bad as everyone’s making him out to be. People don’t seem to be taking into account that this is 32 seconds of a much longer fight. The exchange that starts around 10 seconds seems to show the boxer briefly holding his own. Now, I’m definitely not saying that he’s as good as BDBSK, just not as sucky as everyone keeps saying.
I also feel that the wide arcing arm movements could be dealt with more easily by someone who’s familiar with that style. If you can protect against leg kicks, I’ve found that a simultaneous upper block and counter punch is an effective counter to this (like pao chuan in Hsing I). The boxer in the video seemed to be too slow to deal with this.
BSCLF is related to my style (Buk Siu Lum) so I’m only saying this as someone who’s experimented with these same sorts of techniques. Against more experienced MA’ists I’ve found that fighting in a more compact way is usually more effective. I’ve found the wide arm movements can work as a sort of “trick” because people don’t usually see this sort of thing and they usually don’t expect the rapid follow up technique that’s headed their way, but it seems to me that a skilled fighter who uses, let’s say, Hsing Yi or some other more compact style can more effectively come in and start peppering you with punches and kicks while one of your arms is out of the picture.[/QUOTE]
In Buk Sing you don’t hit at the end of your extension (although you sure can if it comes to it).
The optimal is the middle range and then keep penetrating.
You’re acting as if Buk Sing is all long bridge hands.
We have many, many compressed techniques.
In Buk Sing you don’t hit at the end of your extension (although you sure can if it comes to it).
The optimal is the middle range and then keep penetrating.
You’re acting as if Buk Sing is all long bridge hands.
We have many, many compressed techniques.
Many people don’t realize that we have very up close and personal stuff cause they see the big swinging strikes more than the others.
but if you are trying to keep a huge distance you can strike at the full extension but it won’t be as powerful as if you were up close.
I don’t want to speak for everyone. I remember K-no talking a long time ago about how he likes to play his Buk Sing at range. I can respect that.
The way I’ve been taught is that middle range is optimal. Short range reduces some of your initial inertia. Long range reduces the depth of your penetration (upon impact). But a fight is pretty chaotic so if things aren’t going your way, you might not get to pick and choose.
But our techniques (all CLF) are pretty versatile. That is the nice thing IMHO. If I have to play it compressed or hit at the end of my extension then so be it. It might not be at that “critical hit” zone, but it’s still gonna hurt. 3-4 compressed Leen Wan Charp will be enough to finish a fight (if you hit them).
Don’t get me wrong, I know BSCLF can be extremely effective at any range. The gwa choi is done exactly the way we do it in Bak Siu Lum. I also think we use the same gwa sau movements in some of the forms and fighting sets at our school. It’s cool to see someone actually using that stuff in a match. It’s a truly traditional way of fighting you never see.
I’m just saying it’s usually not something I use when I’m in a real fight. I guess it’s because I’m a little paranoid about getting hit in the face so I keep that guard up as much as I can.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1087715]Cool! I’m close by. I live up in Markham!
I was commenting based on what the guy did when confronted with the attacks.
He had no footwork, no covering and couldn’t get out of the way of a linear attack.
So, no, he doesn’t need to be pro, but… I think that dude was pretty fresh to it.
So, maybe the no gloves thing kind of freaked him out a bit? I dunno, but his movement was contrary to what a boxer learns.
I don’t think I’m giving anyone flak, I’m just saying, that guy is not exactly an example of what I would say is boxing. But good for you for educating him I guess. Clearly he wasn’t skilled enough at boxing to be issuing challenges.
If I’m making massive judgments based on an edited video, then it would be just as fair to say you’re making massive assumptions with the very same video right?
Kin Sze… not sure. Maybe from a forum? Been a while since made a trip down town. Rings a bell, just not that loud.
I train with another guy. We do privates only no open club.
I ran an open one before out of my home, but as you may know, committed people to ANYTHING are hard to come by. So, I switched to private sessions only and that has been a lot better. You don’t get hunt and peck types or asked to babysit brats and so on. lol[/QUOTE]
oh lord here we go, i actually agree with this help me!
And no one is taking anything away fro either guy, but its like calling someone a grappler who doenst have a base or move like he has trained at all
to me a boxer is someone who has boxed, not just trained at a gym but actually boxed, the guy doesnt move like he has boxed, no big deal and to be fair its not BDBSK who posted it or making a big deal of it