“That said Nieztches philosophy did (however inadvertantly) pave the way for a later strand of social darwinism that took many forms, the most extreme of which reached its logical conclusion in Belson, Dachau, and Auschwitz.”
hardly too heavy for kfo. practically all that keeps me coming back!
do you really think it paved the way for this? social darwinism was prevalent already in the late 1800’s, and nietzsche’s highly publicized “hatred of jews and lauding of german culture,” have more or less been discounted as faux history.
more precisely, is it appropriate to blame the concept of “What is right? What does that really mean?” for Nazi Germany? I’m not sure it is. to me, they are too far removed.
sure, the idea of ubermensch was probably raped from nietzsche, but given the wildly different MEANING these guys attached to that word…
my point is, i understand the links, but to me, it’s rather like blaming islam, vice 19 hijackers and a specific terrorist network, for 9/11. you can see how an extreme form of islam shaped their morality, but can’t really equate the average muslim, or average interpretations w/ that.
I generally find Philosophy useful for the questions it poses- not the answers it gives. Of course it depends on how interelated you think the answers are with the questions. The question ‘in virtue of what can I properly call something mine’ is to me an important question even if I may disagree with some of the answers people give to to it - exhibit A: Zionism.
Yes; similar to Merry’s remark about us all being Nieztche’s followers, his (and Rousseau’s) questions are certainly laudable.
But I’m not sure we need either one of them to help us ask those questions, and I am sure that a significant proportion of people reify paradigms* such that questions become intractable with answers (ie. a given answer is required in order for the person to concieve of the question).
‘nietzsche’s highly publicized “hatred of jews and lauding of german culture,” have more or less been discounted as faux history.’
I think people have a tendency to confuse Nieztche with Wagner on this one. The Nazis retrospective appropriation of Nieztche has, you are right, little bearing on the merit of his ethical questions. Another example would be their appropriation of the Schwaztika (sp?) which If i recall correctly is a hindu symbol for peace.
as an aside, while Freddy’s brain was rotting from the syph, his sister was capitalizing on his good name and writing up some nazi diatribes with gusto!
this led to the first geman colonies in south america which because of the purist views have deteriorated into some of the highest rates of mental retardation ever!
and so, the curtain drops on the superman, wandering through the venezuelan jungles, hungry, alone and no hockey helmets in site!
bummer.
I know i’m an arse hole for saying that, but hey, it’s my karma and I can drive it as fast as I want!
Originally posted by MasterKiller Karma is still a product of YOUR actions (or inaction), not someone else’s.
no-one really clarified on this one, so I’m gon address it myself
5 FACTORS OF DESTINY
karma ( or tendancies of particular soul)
family environment in which you are brought up
social environment of the particulr era you are born into
effort
5.assistance of others
so it can be said to a certain extent your destiny is already determined to a certain extent (factors 1-3) but is changeable to a degree relating to the last 2
taken from “The Essence of Buddha. The Path to Enlightenlightenment”
Originally posted by Merryprankster THZ is an allegorical book, and the meaning of “god is dead,” is quite clear when taken in context: nietzsche’s point was that values, virtues, life’s meaning, are man-made; as is god - if man does not need god conceptually to create/enforce/dictate value and virtue, then for all intents and purposes “god is dead.”
Heh you see that right there. I had thought the same. Man-made and all, though i had never read any of that N-guy.
I probably am some kinda inteligent being afterall you know. Most people think im crazy, specially those who chat with me sometimes. But all the genius are… kinda…
I should probably write a book with my stuff, it would be at the same level that Neitschxshdsht (however you spell) dude. It would be good stuff, the world should listen to me.
