i dont know exactly what is this form,if any one know please tell me
can any one tell me what is this form??
This one looks like (Gong Li Quan).
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This one looks like (Gong Li Quan).[/QUOTE]
Actually, to me that looks like the “Gop Shu” (trapping forearms) hand motion found in Southern Mantis
thank you very much my friend about helping
but can i found this form exactly in youtube?
Also notice on the “gop shu” hand position the first knuckle is pushed out, in the form of the “peac ock eye” fist from southern mantis.
I have a feeling the form is “Sarm bo Jin” which means three step arrow
This is a core form for both Chow Gar and Jook Lum Southern Mantis.
Also realize that the order of the letters printed on the picture were put there by the editors of the magazine these pictures were published in. The order (A, B, C) could be incorrect. So keep that in mind when you search on youtube, ecc.
[QUOTE=TopCrusader;1080307]Also notice on the “gop shu” hand position the first knuckle is pushed out, in the form of the “peac ock eye” fist from southern mantis.
I have a feeling the form is “Sarm bo Jin” which means three step arrow
This is a core form for both Chow Gar and Jook Lum Southern Mantis.
Also realize that the order of the letters printed on the picture were put there by the editors of the magazine these pictures were published in. The order (A, B, C) could be incorrect. So keep that in mind when you search on youtube, ecc.[/QUOTE]
In Chow Gar SPM we know it as the “fung nan” or phoenix eye. Not pea****.
The pic doesn’t resemble SBJ as I know it as his arms are too close to his chest for the dow sau position and we use the “ginger fist” not the phoenix eye. The other pictures in the sequence do not resemble the SBJ as I know it. It might be Jook Lum or Chu Ga.
Also the picture A position looks very similar to a part of one of the UK Lau Gar forms called “charp choi”.
Ah, very interesting!
I do know BL practiced Jook Lum Mantis while in NYC for a month. Gin Foon Mark has specifically stated that he taught him the Sarm Bo Jin form, among many other things.
Also, Fook Yueng taught BL many things, including Southern Mantis. I have never been able to find out which family, though. I have heard it mentioned Fook Yueng’s Red Boat/Junk Wing Chun is influenced by Chow Gar Mantis, so its possible the stuff he taught BL was from Chow Gar. As far as I know, the details of their training have never been published.
Someone told me the last form that Bruce Lee learned before he came to US was (Gong Li Quan).
It is true, he did learn Gong Li Quan from Siu Hon Sang. But this was quite some time before he left for America. Shiu Hon Sang has said in interviews he was going to teach him more after Gong Li Quan but could not because Shiu was in a Wong Fei Hung movie (which would have been 1958)
After the movie was over, Shiu and Lee resumed their training about 2 months before Lee left for America. Within those 2 months Shiu taught him many things, mostly out of the Chin Woo Association form list.
I guess there is somewhere to find more information and I already posted a similar question but nobody was able to answer. The problem is I can not find in youtube or internet a whole explanation of the name of the forms he performed and where he learned some of them. Here is an article that maybe someone can read better than me and HTH
[QUOTE=TopCrusader;1080307]Also notice on the “gop shu” hand position the first knuckle is pushed out, in the form of the “peac0ck eye” fist from southern mantis.[/QUOTE]
huh… ive never heard it called that before…
He may have learned some Juk Lum Tong Long from Gin Foon Mark but not enough to do the forms correctly. 
I don’t think it is any particular form, but various movements from a variaty of systems. The first pose is probably as stated, some form of SPM. The others do not appear to be SPM, but other styles.
Just because some magazine editor numbered the pictures doesn’t mean he had a clue. Remember, BL loved to strike poses.
originally posted by TopCrusader
It is true, he did learn Gong Li Quan from Siu Hon Sang. But this was quite some time before he left for America. Shiu Hon Sang has said in interviews he was going to teach him more after Gong Li Quan but could not because Shiu was in a Wong Fei Hung movie (which would have been 1958) After the movie was over, Shiu and Lee resumed their training about 2 months before Lee left for America. Within those 2 months Shiu taught him many things, mostly out of the Chin Woo Association form list.
I believe this to be slightly inaccurate. Shui Hon Sang was an older classmate of Grandmaster Ma Gim Fung. The whole reason Bruce went to Shui was because he was impressed with Wong Jack Man’s abilities after his match with him in 1964 and he wanted to learn some of Wong’s style (Bak Siu Lum and Bak Siu Lum Lo Han). Of course, this was the match that caused him to renounce Wing Chun which, despite what many would have you believe, indicates that Bruce didn’t win that fight. After this match and before he began work on The Green Hornet, Bruce went back to Hong Kong a couple of times in 1965. At some point he wrote Wong Jack Man’s teacher, Ma Gim Fung, and requested lessons. Ma was an especially gifted master and had taught Wong Sifu his BSL Lo Han that had been passed down from Sun Yu Fung. Ma turned him away, but Bruce managed to convince Shui Hon Sang to teach him. Shui was an older classmate of Ma’s and during Bruce’s time in Hong Kong in 1965 Shui taught him Gung Li Chuan and Jie Chuan.
[QUOTE=Siu Lum Fighter;1080904]I believe this to be slightly inaccurate. Shui Hon Sang was an older classmate of Grandmaster Ma Gim Fung. The whole reason Bruce went to Shui was because he was impressed with Wong Jack Man’s abilities after his match with him in 1964 and he wanted to learn some of Wong’s style (Bak Siu Lum and Bak Siu Lum Lo Han). Of course, this was the match that caused him to renounce Wing Chun which, despite what many would have you believe, indicates that Bruce didn’t win that fight. After this match and before he began work on The Green Hornet, Bruce went back to Hong Kong a couple of times in 1965. At some point he wrote Wong Jack Man’s teacher, Ma Gim Fung, and requested lessons. Ma was an especially gifted master and had taught Wong Sifu his BSL Lo Han that had been passed down from Ku Yu Cheung. Ma turned him away, but Bruce managed to convince Shui Hon Sang to teach him. Shui was an older classmate of Ma’s and during Bruce’s time in Hong Kong in 1965 Shui taught him Gung Li Chuan and Jie Chuan.[/QUOTE]
I am sorry, but do you have any source for that information? Because that my friend is revisionist history. I can quote you two different INTERVIEWS with Shiu Hon Sang himself from the 1970s which completely go against the things you claim.
First of all, Lee trained with Shiu Hon Sang in 1958 and 1959. This is confirmed by Hawkins Cheung and Shiu Hon Sang himself. What they trained in is also confirmed by those two people.
The fight with Wong Jack Man was indeed in 1964-1965ish at the Oakland school. (James Lee was present). The fight most certainly rattled Lee.
As far as that it was that fight that “caused him to renounce Wing Chun” , then why in 1965 in Hong Kong did he visit with Master Yip Man several times, and later tried to convince Yip Man to film the Wing Chun forms so he could show him to his American students?
Wing Chun tactics and techniques continue to be a part of Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do training for many years and shows up in his own personal training regiment still in 1968. Dan Inosanto continues to teach Wing Chun techniques in the Jeet Kune Do “backyard group” up until Lee’s death. Inosanto was teaching what Lee told him too.
Shiu Hon Sang did not teach Lee those forms in 1965, he already knew them in 1958-1959. How else was he performing parts of them at the 1964 Ed Parker Longbeach Karate tournaments?
If you want I can provide sources for all of my claims. Can you do the same?
Greetings,
Those photos are from a set that shows Lee going through a traditional phase; yet, no one has ever come forth and state where that sequence comes from. There exists the strong possibility that he created that sequence from his knowledge base.
mickey
TopCrusader:
Perhaps you could point me to the specific interviews with Shiu where he says this. I read what Hawkins said, but I’m still skeptical that info. is accurate. If Bruce did learn those forms in the late 50’s then it was because Shiu was friends with Bruce’s father, Lee Hoi Chuen. Being a traditionalist, Shiu wouldn’t have just started teaching Bruce Lee without a letter of introduction from Yip Man. Masters of different styles usually didn’t just teach students of other masters. This was why, as far as I knew, Bruce learned all the other stuff he knew from his friends growing up. The Lacey brothers taught him some Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut in this way.
looks like hes doing basic blocks and 3 photos are just finger jabs
if bruce lee knew any real chinese martial art at all he wouldnt have named his style skeet coon do.
[QUOTE=bawang;1081225]looks like hes doing basic blocks and 3 photos are just finger jabs
if bruce lee knew any real chinese martial art at all he wouldnt have named his style skeet coon do.[/QUOTE]
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