Have you studied any Jeet Kune Do? I have studied TKD and BJJ in the past but I find that JKD is more effective. It is not simplistic boxing as we do kick, trap and some “grappling”. Yes we choose to be straight forward in our fighting, by this I mean the forwardness of an all out attack, we hold nothing back. We hit, kick, whatever to hurt you and therefore not be hurt. If you are talking about a straight line attack we do angle only if we have to. The quickest way to get to you is straight at you.
The foundation is Wing Chun. Lee liked boxing cause of the combinations, hands always in an on guard position as well as getting the whole body into the hit; twisting of the hips. Lee liked fencing as it took a direct approach to the target and your main weapon hand, lead hand, leads the attack. Simple and very effective with no wasted energy or motion.
I too wonder if Lee had been able to continue his studies in Wing Chun would we have JKD today. As far as escrima and kali he did like the styles for the movies. That is straight from an interview with Dan Inosanto himself.
Well, I dont think its fair that anyone criticizes Linda Lee, Wong Jack Man or anyone that was involved in that fight. Only the people who were there knew what happened and they all have their right to tell what they each witnessed. Naturally, if you have five people watch the same event you are going to have five different versions…that’s human nature.
I believe in any fight it’s all gonna come down to the fighter himself and who is the stronger one…not what style they train in. Of course with winning the fight brings the “bragging rights” for that particular style. So in theory every martial arts style that exists today all have their own ideas and who is to say this works or this doesn’t…fact is no one really knows.
The Bruce Lee Foundation
Featured in the September 2006 Black Belt mag it sounds righteous. I do not believe Linda Lee or her daughter are trying to cash in. It’s only fair that Linda Lee and her family carry on a legacy that was started by Bruce Lee. I wish some of you would understand this.
My simple comment is that BL brought Kung Fu (martial arts) to the public eye through his TV, Written and Movie appearances (such a shame that prejudice kept him out of the true role in “Kung Fu”, shame).
Also his effect on the evolution of training in the martial arts. The ideas of trying out new things and styles. Then bringing them back home to improve yourself and your “style/ideas”
He died young, wonder where he would be sitting today and what his views would be as well.
As for the fight. Where was the camer when you needed it. Hey nobody died so there was no winner:rolleyes:
And for me if Mr. Innosanto isn’t part of this New Organization, that leaves a big hole. Like the problems found in many organizations, Family Inheritance vs Top Exponents.
the Neon Nunchaku thing probably makes reference to the experminentaton of drugs that many believe BL was doing. (just a rumor but it was an interesting time in the 70’s)
on a side note: Hey when are they going to release the restored “Game of Death”, including the missing scenes?
I won’t continue on the Lee vs. Wong thing because thats not what this thread is about.
Onto the topic at hand…I say that its a big mistake to not include Inosanto. He is one of the staples of the Jeet Kune Do community. Its silly to exclude him because he teaches other arts.
Was Inosanto excluded or did he choose to stay out of it? I remember reading somewhere that in about 1972 or so, Bruce told Inosanto that he didn’t want “Jeet Kune Do” being taught anymore, since, Bruce believed that his personal style, or the way that he fought shouldn’t be crystalized and formalized in such a way. I think this was probably because Bruce Lee was still learning about certain aspects of the martial arts and he may have even been questioning his own theories. Maybe he had a revelation while he was on one of those hash brownies he was so fond of. No harm in that.
The reason I feel it’s right to critisize Linda Lee, is because she decided to paint Wong Jack Man out as a villain when her biography came out in the early eighties. Bruce Lee never really mentioned Wong when he was alive and the comments that he made about beating up certain martial artists could’ve been about any of the many challenge matches he fought on the West Coast. All of this business about Wong being a racist started with her and it was done to paint a rosey picture of Bruce being “the man who brought kung fu to the west.” Sure, he did this through his movies, but he was not the first to actually teach it to westerners. As far back as the twenties, even the mighty Kuo Yu Chang had white students.
Sifu Wong actually had a court battle with Linda over this point. In the end they said she could say whatever she wanted since Wong was a “public figure” (this verdict was influenced by a case involving Carol Bernett at the time). This is why Wong Sifu is definitely not very fond of her. As far as his relationship with Bruce, from what I hear it was not so strained. Apparently, Bruce respected Wong’s skills enough to request a rematch in ten years. Yet another indication that there was no decisive victory for either opponent. And out of all the witnesses who were there, the only story we get on Bruces side is from Linda, and I really don’t think she even knows much of anything concerning the reasons for their fight (or martial arts in general which is why it seems strange that she’s looking over the certification of the Foundation’s instructors:confused: ) . At least two of the witnesses on Wong’s side have spoken up and they, unlike Linda, are both masters of their arts. Their stories also coincide more with Wong’s.
If the BLEF is being formed to preserve the memory of Bruce Lee then this is great. Unfortunately, I fell, they are going to try and regulate JKD and who can actually say that hey are teaching official JKD. Even with the original students of Bruce Lee you have different opinions as to what is JKD. Ted Wong does not do/teach Sil Lim Tao and Jerry Poteet is into concepts and to be certified by him you can only teach what he wants you to teach or train with. My sifu has sought out and trained with as many OBLS as possible from each of the three schools/periods. We are training in all three periods from JunFan Gung Fu to JunFan JKD. So yes in a way I see it as an attempt to make money by some.
[QUOTE=Siu Lum Fighter;696059]…I really don’t want to put Bruce down. I actually respect his nack for innovation and his film presence still stands the test of time. It’s just regrettable that Linda Lee has to paint Wong Jack Man out to be such a villain, that’s all. I maintain that the fight was a draw. Also, I can’t deny that Bruce had some skills. He must have if he was able to take on a Grandmaster at his point of developemant …[/QUOTE]
At twenty four years old, I don’t think that Wong Jack Man was anyone’s Sigung. Si Hing or Sifu yes, but not Sigung. Don’t give Bruce Lee that much credit.
As it is, he showed no respect for Wong in the subsequent TV interviews after the fight. He didn’t mention a name but those who knew it took place knew what he was talking about.
Bruce acted like he won just because Sifu Wong slipped and he managed to get on top of him. Bruce became insecure after this fight and the fact that Wong Sifu was the only one who managed to actually do some substantial damage in the fight, challenged Bruce’s ego.
Bruce didn’t even manage to land any punches when he was on top of him. One detail of this fight that I only recently learned was that Wong Sifu placed his foot or his knee on Bruce’s chest when he tried to “pass his guard”. Bruce was throwing punches cause he was so p!ssed off at being hit so hard on the back of his head or neck. But none of them landed and I’ve heard that Wong Sifu was blocking them at a safe distance. The fight was then ended when somebody pulled Bruce off.
Both men did, however, have a certain amount of respect for each others abilities though. Even though Bruce was the bigger sh!t talker, it seems as though he acknowledged Wong’s abilities. Wong Sifu also maintained that Bruce was very good. He didn’t beat him, but he was very good.
