Broadsword

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Hello,

I am looking for a good Dao, I don’t want a wushu broadsword but I don’t know much about how heavy they are supposed to be or where the point of balance needs to be or what to look for in terms of craftsmanship. It would be awesome if I could keep this purchase around $100.

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=PC2063&name=Hanwei+Practical+Kung-Fu+Sword

this is what I am looking at. I’ve read a couple reviews and it seems to be the most accurate in my price range but I wanted to see what the forum had to say.

I may even be interested in purchasing something gently used from a reputable person.

thank you,

Michael

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That sword is razor sharp FYI;)

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why would anyone want a razor sharp “practice sword?” that’s just plain stupid.
Unless you are doing practice cuts, or going out to war, there is no need.
BTW-I’ve sliced my hand just taking it out of the scabbard-The guy at the counter neglected to mention that the scabbard was slotted.
And as far as “practice cuts” go-it is one thing to study a art like Iaido, and devote yourself to the development of your skill, combining body, mind, self-cultivation, self-perfection., ,etc.
It would be a rarity to find people training in broadsword or gim, who actually take it to that level.
Most people just like to say, “Look what I can do!”
(insert clip of Stuey here…)

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That sword is the only sword I ever cut myself with for the exact same reason.
I keep it high on my sword rack and have done a few practice cuts with it.
Slices most sliceable objects like proverbial butter.

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I am also always looking for that perfect sword, be it gim or dandao.
I once bought this nice dandao at a toournament. Nice balance, stainless steel blade, unfinished wooden grips, so when your hand sweats, it doesn;t slip. Great.
A few weeks later, after doing comps, demos, etc I happened to notice that it was sharp! Great. Now what do I do with it?
I’m taking a file to the edge.
You have to be carefull even with practice swords. Many are very thin, on the top edge as well. Run your forearm against it (circle around the head and conceal the sword) and you can slice your arm.
Some things are just plain stupid.

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I do not condone a beginner practicing with sharpened weapons. But, it will teach you to respect the weapon. In our modern day practices most have forgotten that the classical weapons are in fact instruments of death not toys.

In regards to the TS, you may not want a wushu steal but it doesn’t sound like you know much (if anything) about the broadsword and therefore should start off with a wushu or spring steal training sword (avoid wooden dao’s they’re garbage). But do what you want, you do have that freedom. If you cut yourself, you deserve it.

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Well, If you cut yourself with it you KNOW you’re doing it WRONG. :cool:

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I love working with sharps

I seldom do anymore, but it adds a certain reality to your training. I suppose that’s fallout from my iaido days. It’s definitely not for everyone.

Our forums sponsor carries that Hanwei piece too (but a tad more pricey :o)
High-Carbon Steel Kung Fu Broadsword with black scabbard (Sharpened)

Another nice Hanwei dao is this one:
Dao (Kung Fu) sword

If you’re looking to stay under $100, fopah, try this one from Dragon Well:
Broadsword (Dao) - Spring Steel - 28", 30", 32"

Here’s a heftier version, also from Dragon Well, and a little over $100:
Broadsword (Dao) - Combat Steel - 28", 30", 32"

And lastly, here’s the same piece sharpened:
Sword - Sharpened Single Broadsword Combat Steel

As for balance, some might lecture you about ‘correct balance’ but it’s really a matter of personal preference. My first master tended to like the balance point back towards the handle, more like a power tool. Fencer talk about two-finger balance and such, akin to two fingers of whiskey ;). People that are just starting cutting practice tend to prefer the balance to be more blade heavy because it makes it easier. That’s actually more like chopping then cutting, but I won’t quibble.

As for these blades, I like them all. The first one is just a little short for me. I like the second one a lot. I have yet to invest in either though as I own several Dragon Well dao - both spring and combat steel versions. Combat steel can be a little heavy for some, but I like that because it builds arm strength and confounds wushu people.

Hope you find what you’re looking for fopah.

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Gene,
Wasn’t there an article about Dragon Well many moons ago? I don’t even remember if it was good or bad…

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Thanks Gene, You’re the only one who was trying to be helpful. I think I’m going to go with the unsharpened combat steel dao. I would like to get the hanwei, But my wife would prefer this.

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That’s a solid piece, fopah

If it turns out to be too blade heavy for you, the handle can be disassembled and you can add a few washers under the pommel. Be very careful about disassembling swords however. They are simple to unscrew, but as the actual handle part is wood, it’s easy to crush it when re-tightening it. This often happens when an inexperienced person strips the sword and then can’t reassemble it without it being loose. Don’t keep tightening it in this case. You’ll need to toss in some lockwashers and possibly square the edges of the handle.

I’d also cover the handle of that sword as it is just plain wood. You can get great materials for re-handling tennis rackets very cheaply at any sports store. It’s perfect for sword handles.

P.S. I think Lokhopkuen was trying to be helpful.

Drake, thanks for the plug - that Dragon Well article was in our 2005 January/February The Sword Collector’s Special: China’s Most Precious Swords - The Legend of Dragon Well Forge By Jonathan Oh (with Gene Ching) There’s also a nice piece on Hanwei in that issue: Chinese Pride - The Hanwei Forge of Paul Chen By Mike Song

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[QUOTE=GeneChing;1015555]

P.S. I think Lokhopkuen was trying to be helpful.

[/QUOTE]

That hurts Gene. I thought I was being helpful. :frowning:

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Sorry Shaolin, didn’t mean that to hurt…

…much :wink:

On second read, yes, you were trying to be helpful too. We just disagree about wushu dao for beginners and wooden dao. I only advocate wushu dao for those practicing the sport of wushu. If you’re are traditional beginner, a wushu dao is of little use - you might as well just move right into normal dao. Of course, when I was a beginner, there was no such thing as a wushu dao, but there you have it. I also find wood dao to be very useful for two reasons. First, they’re hecka cheap. Second, they’re great to drill techniques like you would with boken. They don’t get all macked up like if you were training with steel, and again, as they are hecka cheap, if they do break, you don’t really care.

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yes, even with the practice sword with dull edges

we have to use it and practice it with respect as if it is the “REAL” thing.

the weight is more of a consideration

be it da dao or guan dao

how much weight we may practice to wield, depending on our physique

and of course, the length has to be considered, too

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I mean instead of focusing on how sharp your practice sword is

find out the right weight and right length for you to practice

are far more important

–

:wink:

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as far as using a wushu dao is concerned, since the blades are very thin, as I stated before, the back edge of the blade is also thin.
Thin=SHARP.
Running your forearm across the back edge of a thin (sharp) sword will slice you up pretty bad. A blade cuts on the draw, so even sliding your forearm an inch will open you up.
I reccommend a standard practice sword, possibly spring steel or chrome hard steel, so long as the back edge is not too thin.

I knew a guy who while trying to do flowers behind the back with a wushu dao, sliced himself up pretty good. 48 stitches to be exact.

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Another Inquiry

Has anyone used this sword? I want to train using a heavier blade. The description sounds perfect, but that could be total BS.

http://www.wle.com/products/wgl452.html

Thanks,
Michael

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[QUOTE=fopah;1015781]Has anyone used this sword? I want to train using a heavier blade. The description sounds perfect, but that could be total BS.

http://www.wle.com/products/wgl452.html

Thanks,
Michael[/QUOTE]

I think everything you’ve been given as an option is acceptable with a nod towards gene giving you pretty robust advice.

In truth, a light (but strong) blade is desirable and a heavy one is not desirable on a sword. Weight impedes movement.

:slight_smile:

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Some people like to train with a heavier sword than they would normally fight with.
The silliness of that is obvious, we don’t fight with swords anymore.
I don’t agree with blunt blades, you don’t get the right feel or sound when you do your stuff.
Uber-sharp is pointless unless you are test cutting.
If you can afford it, get 2 swords, one for practice and one for test cutting.

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for a beginner, i would definitely suggest a blunt sword.

as far as brand is concerned, i echo gene’s advice: the lungchuan swords pretty much set the standard for their price level. to hit any higher grade of quality usually comes with a disproportionate jump in price. that being said, i recently acquired a hanwei sword at a rock-bottom price and have been quite pleased with it.