Dear all,
Is it possible for someone to tell me what is the purpose of having one hand in front of you and then flick your wrist three times in the last section of biu gee?
Thank you very much
Hitman
last section ? what lineage are you following for clarification of methods ?
[QUOTE=Hitman;878122]Dear all,
Is it possible for someone to tell me what is the purpose of having one hand in front of you and then flick your wrist three times in the last section of biu gee?
Thank you very much
Hitman[/QUOTE]
In the BJ I perform, there is a Fok Sau with a “flick of the wrist” three times…is this the motion you speak of?
Dear all,
In the BJ I perform, there is a Fok Sau with a "flick of the wrist" three times...is this the motion you speak of?
I was looking at several different wing chun books and some of them showed the “flicking the wrist three time”. I have forgotten the titles of those books. I am not sure the name of this movement as the authors did not mentioned it, therefore, it could be fok sau. The movement was to flick your wrist up and down several times.
Thank you
Hitman
[QUOTE=Hitman;878130]Dear all,
In the BJ I perform, there is a Fok Sau with a "flick of the wrist" three times...is this the motion you speak of?
I was looking at several different wing chun books and some of them showed the “flicking the wrist three time”. I have forgotten the titles of those books. I am not sure the name of this movement as the authors did not mentioned it, therefore, it could be fok sau. The movement was to flick your wrist up and down several times.
Thank you
Hitman[/QUOTE]
Well..this is my take on the whole thing! 
The movement that precedes the ‘high-powered Huen Sau’ is generally either a Fok or a Jum, etc.
SNT and CK are all about the elbow. Elbow, elbow and elbow. The BJ is IMO about three things primarily. First is about getting or ‘cutting’ back to the centre, second is about Ging or relaxed energy, and third is about wrist (instead of elbow).
The ‘flicking’ is actually (the way I do it) a Huen Sau with a real good flick of the fingers at the end. This helps with wrist energy and also with building Ging into the motion. The reason it looks like it’s going up and down is because after the flick, I perform a Fok Sau at the end…making a small circle. If you’re following a book, it’s likely that the full motion is being missed.
All the best,
Kenton Sefcik
Huen Sao, jut sao, huen sao, jut sao. You can add a pak or a fok sao if you want to. It is all about using your imagination.
Hitman’s original post
They are 'Jut ging"- dont raise shoulders, dont bend elbows- when done right helps develop
wrist and fingers. Do not tighten muscles. Helps in getting out of jams at close quarters- there are other applications as well. At close quarters-the arms wont be straight- but you would have learned how to empower the bridge(kiu), wrist and fingers by then.
joy chaudhuri
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;878233]They are 'Jut ging"- dont raise shoulders, dont bend elbows- when done right helps develop
wrist and fingers. Do not tighten muscles. Helps in getting out of jams at close quarters- there are other applications as well. At close quarters-the arms wont be straight- but you would have learned how to empower the bridge(kiu), wrist and fingers by then.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
There we go!
This type of training helps immensely. When playing high-energy Chi Sau, I’ve only been able to pull off some really good Huen Sau’s because of this type of form training.
It’s quite an amazing system. After performing a section on the dummy, let’s say, then you go back to the Chi Sau and it comes out of what seems no-where!
Best,
K
the “flick the wrist up and down” is put to use in the 4th set of the dummy form. Just learned it today:) Its forarm energy the opposite direction not so much the finger in my opinion
I believe its the first movements in the Yip Man BJ
[QUOTE=Katsu Jin Ken;879306]I believe its the first movements in the Yip Man BJ[/QUOTE]
I agree, as these ‘flicks’ appear after the initial logo, five fists and legwork. The ‘start point’ of BJ?
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;879306]… when done right helps develop wrist and fingers. Do not tighten muscles. Helps in getting out of jams at close quarters- there are other applications as well. At close quarters-the arms wont be straight- but you would have learned how to empower the bridge(kiu), wrist and fingers by then.[/QUOTE]
Superb 
…“keep back you guys , or I’ll use my wagging finger techniques”…:rolleyes::D:D:D
to funny!
In TWC we don’t use wrist flicks. We use Biu Jees like here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arYcXbwKFpc
Sifu Wan does something similar here around :08 and :15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtsEvZs2So8
[QUOTE=Hitman;878122]Dear all,
Is it possible for someone to tell me what is the purpose of having one hand in front of you and then flick your wrist three times in the last section of biu gee?
Thank you very much
Hitman[/QUOTE]
Forgive me if im wrong but could you be talking about… Toi Sau ?
I only mention this because you wrote ‘in the last section’..
My Bj has Fut Sao left and right then Pai Sao (looks like upper Guarn) this then turns to Huen and after Huen three wrist flicks are Toi Sao pressing back to the center…
Sifu Wan doesnt do this in the link provided by phil so if you see it… im way off LOL.
Sifu Wong performs it here at 203 -
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j0WOEnxFyGA
Im now thinking i am a bit off cause there is no hand in front of you in the form at least, but im postin anyway 
DREW
[QUOTE=Liddel;879829]Forgive me if im wrong but could you be talking about… Toi Sau ?
I only mention this because you wrote ‘in the last section’..
My Bj has Fut Sao left and right then Pai Sao (looks like upper Guarn) this then turns to Huen and after Huen three wrist flicks are Toi Sao pressing back to the center…
Sifu Wan doesnt do this in the link provided by phil so if you see it… im way off LOL.
Sifu Wong performs it here at 203 -
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j0WOEnxFyGA
Im now thinking i am a bit off cause there is no hand in front of you in the form at least, but im postin anyway
DREW[/QUOTE]
Apologies, but what is “Toi Sao?”
The way WSL is performing is close to my version. I flick the wrist and then return with a Fok Sau visualizing it sitting back on top.
[QUOTE=Liddel;879829]. . . . . .
Sifu Wan doesnt do this in the link provided by phil so if you see it… im way off LOL.
Sifu Wong performs it here at 203 -
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j0WOEnxFyGA
DREW[/QUOTE]
If you look at his and at the times I gave you will also hear him say Biu Jee in Cantonese. It is a finger thrust. I downloaded the clip. Maybe I can do a slow motion version for you.
Drew. I just checked again and he does an upward biu jee and and 2 downward biu jees like done in TWC biu jee. I’m working on the clip now. The problem is that it might belong to someone so I won’t post it on youtube. I can email you the slow-mo version if you’d like. I played it over 10 times and I clearly see it.
PR
[QUOTE=Katsu Jin Ken;879306]the “flick the wrist up and down” is put to use in the 4th set of the dummy form. Just learned it today:) Its forarm energy the opposite direction not so much the finger in my opinion
I believe its the first movements in the Yip Man BJ[/QUOTE]
In some words you are correct…
Ali Rahim.
All praise to Allah (God) the most merciful, master of the Day of Judgment…
Thee do we worship and thine aid we seek…
Maaliki Yawmid-Diin
[QUOTE=Katsu Jin Ken;879306]the “flick the wrist up and down” is put to use in the 4th set of the dummy form. Just learned it today:) Its forarm energy the opposite direction not so much the finger in my opinion
I believe its the first movements in the Yip Man BJ[/QUOTE]
In some words you are correct…
Ali Rahim.
All praise to Allah (God) the most merciful, master of the Day of Judgment…
Thee do we worship and thine aid we seek…
Maaliki Yawmid-Diin
He called the first movement after the strike biu jee then he said seung dit? sau.I have to see the Chinese character for dit to know what that is. Maybe a native speaker might know. We call that movement Seung biu jee. I even noticed the one that he calls biu jee is armpit level. We use the same strike for Heart 1 under the armpit. The ones he called dit? sau are neck level could be Large Intestine 17-18, Stomach 9-10-12 etc. Now I know that things that look similar sometimes aren’t. It’s just what I see based on our Biu Jee form.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;879950]If you look at his and at the times I gave you will also hear him say Biu Jee in Cantonese. It is a finger thrust. I downloaded the clip. Maybe I can do a slow motion version for you. :)[/QUOTE]
Sorry Phil… see ive just confused maters now…LOL
I was refering to what i call Toi (toy) Sao or a pushing hand… I see the BJ in the Sifu Wan clip :)…
Just thought after the Orig Poster mentioned at the end of BJ it might be something different than what had been posted by others…
Apologies, but what is “Toi Sao?”
The way WSL is performing is close to my version. I flick the wrist and then return with a Fok Sau visualizing it sitting back on top.
Hey Couch,
Toi Sao for me is a press or ‘pushing hand’ tranistioned to from the Fook Sao back to center. I can see WSL do a similar movement. The pressure, touch point and direction of inch power (or wrist hinge movement ) may be different then my Toi Sao…is he using Jum ???
I think i have confused matters 
wouldnt be a first time LOL
Just for POV - my BJ goes… Fut Sao left right. Pi Sao (looks like upper guarn but is half the angle in the forearm) then Fook sao turning to the outside followed by Toi Sao pressing back to center, then Fook turns again and you repeat three times then Fut sao is repeated on the other side…fook and Toi etc etc
Now I know that things that look similar sometimes aren’t. It’s just what I see based on our Biu Jee form
No phil your bang on im the same at that part…
Its crazy how we could get this sorted in 2 secs if shown in person 
DREW