can you post up the link again,
if its the video i think Lai Hung is doing single doa, not sure i know who Sifu Jew is?
THIS IS THE LINK BRO…
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1466817336172334030&q=choy+li+fut&pl=true
sifu jew is bosco youngs sifu, of the buk sing lineage.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;887536]sifu jew is bosco youngs sifu, of the buk sing lineage.[/QUOTE]
Very interesting, 
If you mean the Sifu in the Black with the Grey Hair, that is Sifu Jun Chui Yu and i didn’t know that he ended up teaching Bosco Young, my undersatnding was that Sifu Bosco was orgininally my Sigung’s student and then studied with Tam Fei Pang but i am always open to being corrected. Very cool stuff.
can you send me that link to Bosco Young’s student’s Myspace page you mentioned over the summer?
The move demonstrated is obviously part of the Bak Hsing system but no, i have never learned it, not exactly as shown.
One.
My issue has nothing to do with the fighting skill or either fighters at all. It just the way it was labelled… CLF v s BJJ. That was a simple san shou match, between two fighters who seem to be skilled in san shou technique.
If I post a video of a TKD guy and a Kung fu guy fighting san shou rules, then I shouldn’t label it as TKD vs Kung Fu, now would I?
This type of thing is damaging to martial arts in general, and does nothing to help promote our fighting arts. Kung Fu already don’t have a good name in the fighting circles, why damage it even more?
i was always under the impression that bosco young learned from sifu jun, my bad about the sifu jew thing. i will get that link from myspace…but forgive me if im wrong.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;887507]satori,
at 2:10 sifu jew is in a cross horse position, spins and hits to two fists one right after the other…do you have that in your system? and if so, what is it called in chinese?
that lineage is one of the only ones i’ve seen do it other than ours (Hung Sing).[/QUOTE]
that move is very common in the GM Kong On lineage of Buck Sing
it appears many times in Sup Ji, Kow Da and Ping Kune
The General Master David Lacey uses it in his combat techniques
chasin,
yeah that technique is found also in our sup ji kau da, which is a combo of sup ji, kau da and our ping kuen as well.
but we also have it in our cheung kuen as well…
do you know what the name of it is? we usually apply it as a kidney shot
thanks bra
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;887522]Yeah, lai hung is in a t shirt i think, but is doing double broadswords.[/QUOTE]
there is only a one broadsword routine dude has black pants and white t shirt at the four minute mark it goes for like a minute…is that him? The only other weapons is spear and kwan dao:)
Thats Lai Hung (He used greychin formula):)…thats him doing the single dao form
Steeeve
we call that move gwa sow, frank 
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=9LPmuzB3TGo&feature=related
This Hop Gar form and Buk Sing look very similar…more similar than hung ga and pak hok…it’s the high stances, loose shifting and mobile feet…almost like how the thai’s stay on thier toes, very combat orientated. curious
[QUOTE=diego;887730]http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=9LPmuzB3TGo&feature=related
This Hop Gar form and Buk Sing look very similar…more similar than hung ga and pak hok…it’s the high stances, loose shifting and mobile feet…almost like how the thai’s stay on thier toes, very combat orientated. curious[/QUOTE]
**** nice clip! Good find.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=11493137
satori, this is the link of my friend who learned from bosco young
[QUOTE=diego;887730]This Hop Gar form and Buk Sing look very similar..[/QUOTE]
Interesting observation, James. I agree. I learned Bak Sing and Hop Ga about the same time and think of them as quite different strategies. But if you had told me the clip was of a Bak Sing practitioner, I would have believed it, (although Hop Ga’s emphasis on grappling can be seen in one or two moves). Perhaps the similarity can be explained by BS and HG both having strong northern roots.
This clip is more evidence of the wide variety of Hop Ga styles. I have seen Hop Ga from a few different lineages and videos of a few more and I have yet to see a “set” or kyuhn that any have in common.
Thanks for posting this.
jd
[QUOTE=jdhowland;887911]Interesting observation, James. I agree. I learned Bak Sing and Hop Ga about the same time and think of them as quite different strategies. But if you had told me the clip was of a Bak Sing practitioner, I would have believed it, (although Hop Ga’s emphasis on grappling can be seen in one or two moves). Perhaps the similarity can be explained by BS and HG both having strong northern roots.
This clip is more evidence of the wide variety of Hop Ga styles. I have seen Hop Ga from a few different lineages and videos of a few more and I have yet to see a “set” or kyuhn that any have in common.
Thanks for posting this.
jd[/QUOTE]
I see your Northern referance as the south styles tend to be more compact like they are concealing a small weapon while Northern tends to be more chivalrous with the head upright waving a long sword tai chi style…the south seems to tuck thier chin more:).
The Lai Hung vs Cambodians article makes me wonder if the similarity is more combat orientated…I heard the white crane guys were more society based like they taught at recreational centres while the hop ga guys were more street based.
Lai Hung said he was in awe of how the cambodians trained as professional fighters while the hk guys had day jobs…I wonder if this influenced BS and HG technique. The looseness of form reminds me of western shadow boxing, and I’ve only seen it in BS and HG…kaido’s kajukenbo has that whippy crispness. I haven’t seen Hung Sing and Chan fam form done high tempo and off the head northern praying mantis has that choppy power but it’s more style based than shadow boxing based.
[QUOTE=diego;888012]I see your Northern referance as the south styles tend to be more compact like they are concealing a small weapon while Northern tends to be more chivalrous with the head upright waving a long sword tai chi style…the south seems to tuck thier chin more:).
The Lai Hung vs Cambodians article makes me wonder if the similarity is more combat orientated…I heard the white crane guys were more society based like they taught at recreational centres while the hop ga guys were more street based.
Lai Hung said he was in awe of how the cambodians trained as professional fighters while the hk guys had day jobs…I wonder if this influenced BS and HG technique. The looseness of form reminds me of western shadow boxing, and I’ve only seen it in BS and HG…kaido’s kajukenbo has that whippy crispness. I haven’t seen Hung Sing and Chan fam form done high tempo and off the head northern praying mantis has that choppy power but it’s more style based than shadow boxing based.[/QUOTE]
with the utmost respect i would disagree with a lot if not most of the above.
Northern style is very compact, northern isn’t nessicarly what you read in the articles. Don’t get to caught up in hypothesis. Tam Fei Pang was a HEAVILY influenced by northern style(s) and our Real fighting is mostly compact and mid to short range.
[QUOTE=Satori Science;888073]with the utmost respect i would disagree with a lot if not most of the above.
Northern style is very compact, northern isn’t nessicarly what you read in the articles. Don’t get to caught up in hypothesis. Tam Fei Pang was a HEAVILY influenced by northern style(s) and our Real fighting is mostly compact and mid to short range.[/QUOTE]
I was generalizing northern wushu and southern 5 family wushu the north tend to stand up right with a hero’s pose lohan style while the southern dude will go street and use a snake stance…I’m just talking about flavor of technique. Shane Lacey’s BS dvd and the hg clip I posted have the same flavor as the thai’s you know that crisp shadow boxing footwork you see with street fighting kick boxers who use the head butt and stomp…hung ga tends to look style and power based, the BS and HG clips look a lot like street fighting shadow boxing.
I’m not trying to generalize styles, it just seems some styles seem more fighting based than martial art based and me personally I like to see styles that could be used in places I been around, I’m not so family tradition based…I like san da drills more than long sets, but I’m intrigued by the discipline it takes to do some of the sets out there…Laceys set on the dvd is like three minute cardio, crazy discipline to do right…
I’m curious if hong kong styles san da’d there long sets after the wars with the thai’s after ww2, Lai Hung’s story of his Cambodian fight makes me wonder if they changed thier style a bit then…maybe some hop ga guys faught thai’s back then to…
we call that move gwa sow, frank
Yup - just a re-direct with gwa sau.
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bak hsing kwoon
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;887588]chasin,
yeah that technique is found also in our sup ji kau da, which is a combo of sup ji, kau da and our ping kuen as well.
but we also have it in our cheung kuen as well…
do you know what the name of it is? we usually apply it as a kidney shot
thanks bra[/QUOTE]
well its a very common move
2:09 has alot of different names, depending on what the target is
i’m 90% sure the name is “wui ma pow saw” which is “dat ma bin chui/gwa chui”
2:10 is gwa sow