Lol! I know what you mean. I’ve only failed a few before in about 6 years of lifting, but it sucks. Nowadays I kind of know if I’m going to fail the next rep, so I don’t often attempt it. I’ve got a power rack, though, with spotter bars that are lower than my chest, but not lower than my neck, so I can just roll the bar over my chest down to my neck and slide out from underneath. My old gym had rack pins that were just above chest height as well as the normal rack pins, so as a last effort you could throw the bar onto the low pins.
That’s why I view the bench as the king of lifts. It’s the only one that is dangerous if you fail. A good challenge of the body and mind.
Originally posted by Toby
[B]Lol! I know what you mean. I’ve only failed a few before in about 6 years of lifting, but it sucks. Nowadays I kind of know if I’m going to fail the next rep, so I don’t often attempt it. I’ve got a power rack, though, with spotter bars that are lower than my chest, but not lower than my neck, so I can just roll the bar over my chest down to my neck and slide out from underneath. My old gym had rack pins that were just above chest height as well as the normal rack pins, so as a last effort you could throw the bar onto the low pins.
That’s why I view the bench as the king of lifts. It’s the only one that is dangerous if you fail. A good challenge of the body and mind. [/B]
The squat and the deadlift are both dangerous. I consider those two king moreso than the bench, as they work more muscle groups than the bench. The deadlift is the ultimate compund lift.
Re: Re: Best weight lifting methods for wing chun?
Originally posted by John Weiland
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One result of this is the muscle enlargement (hypertrophy) seen in body builders. So you must consider whether the added muscle mass would be good or bad for your Wing Chun, regardless of its effect on overall speed and power. Speed and power is great. You see it in a lot of sports, but in MA, time in training the art is most important and is not related to only speed and power.
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strength training can be done without adding mass.
Definitely. It’s neurological training. Very high weight, very low rep, few sets. You do too few sets and reps to build size. Power output is really nothing more than a hard muscular contraction - the stronger the contraction, the higher the output. I could explain it better, but it’s after 3am.
basically, there are three types of weight training: endurance, size and power.
power training does not necessarily put size on you.
wrong. pushups are an endurance exercise. The build muscle endurance. They only build strength up to a point. Don’t believe me? I bench 275. If you only do pushups, get on a bench and try it… you can’t do it.
I’ve seen plenty of bodybuilders kick butt in a fight. There’s a HUGE flaw in what you are saying… most bodybuilders don’t do MA. consequently, they aren’t trained to fight. find one that is though, and that’s not a problem.
As I stated in the above post, strength training can be done without gaining mass. That is IMO, WAY better than only doing pushups. That said, do pushups as well, but don’t fool yourself into thinking pushups alone will continually make you stronger.
About bodybuilders and flexibility - it’s a myth. Once again, you have a HUGE flaw. You are taking into account body builder who don’t have a regular stretching regimen that’s worth anything. Anyone who doesn’t stretch will be stiff, not just those guys. I’ve seen body builders who can do the splits.
A voice from the wing chun wilderness- which is ok.
However, I was really hoping I could get some more specific techniques to develop short range “explosive” wing chun power
((True wing chun explosiveness is different from what is meant by explosveness in noxing or football. Wing chun explosiveness is not a technique. It involves wing chun specific coordination and knowing the ground path))
About bodybuilders and flexibility - it’s a myth.
((Yes it is a myth))
Once again, you have a HUGE flaw. You are taking into account body builder who don’t have a regular stretching regimen that’s worth anything. Anyone who doesn’t stretch will be stiff, not just those guys. I’ve seen body builders who can do the splits.
((Best stretching is action specific. Wing chun has built in flexibility.
Doing a split has little relevance to wing chun)) joy((Up the wing chun mountain))
Every time I re-read that post, I find something that’s wrong, which is sad considering your post was only 6 lines long.
The “for show” muscles you mentioned refer to body building only - not powerlifting. Powerlifters have some of the most explosive legs on this planet. Body builders isolate muscle groups, as opposed do doing compound exercises and utilizing several muscles in unison.
Please, read a book or something - it seems like some of you are believing things that have been known to be wrong for the past 23 years…
Originally posted by yuanfen
((Best stretching is action specific. Wing chun has built in flexibility.
Doing a split has little relevance to wing chun))
Agreed. Doing a split has little relevance to any MA really. It just illustrates the point that a bodybuiler isn’t stiff merely because he’s a bodybuilder.
Originally posted by Ng Mui
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They build the strength in the practioner, without slowing him down with bulky, large, just for show mucsles.
Have you ever seen a bodybuilder fight? It is quite entertaining. They lack the basic range of motion we all take for granted.
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yes, take for examples Mark Coleman or Ken Shamrock. They have muscular physiques but I certainly don’t think their muscles are just for show. And their ‘limited’ range of motion is enough to take you out.
If you’re talking big muscleheads fighting with wing chun, well I haven’t seen any…