paranoia is running wild
Remember SARS?
I do. I was there. For that pandemic, sales of Banlangen (and the derivatives and permutations) went through the roof worldwide. I scrambled to get some before I went. That’s good stuff for sure. Sifu Wing Lam turned me on to it when we first went to China in ‘91’. I still use it when I feel the onset of a cold, but it’s very brand dependent. Some brands are far superior than others.
Given this thread topic, I’m tempted to merge this thread with the OT: Swine Flu - are you freaking out yet? thread and bring it all down here to the TCM forum, just to get some action down here.
Great post, lkfmdc.
I’m totally forwarding that one to all my friends. Tao of Pooh and flu of Piglet!
Here’s a related thread on the TCM forum that I might merge with this one soon: Best remedy for Swine Flu? H1N1.
One of our warehouse managers just got back from Mexico. We’ve all been watching him. He’s been coughing but just to scare us. The warehouse guys were all wearing masks yesterday, but it was because they were cleaning up and it was really dusty.
Time to burn some moxa. 
Samuel Jackson will NOT be getting this flu.
Banlangen appears to do the trick in a US population due to the higher sanitary level. It also helps that the basic rules of washing hands, wearing mask, etc are good but in Mexico, immunity protection would already be compromised.
Rules are not as strict for vaccination, flu shots, etc annd the water situation is such that a local resident would suffer no problems due to exposure whereas the average American would immediately get diarrhea and such if they woud consume the local water supply. That in itself, is a telling matter.
herb ox:
what would be a H1N1 prophylactic TCM recommendation for a 4 1/2 year old (my son)? he’s in generally very good health, NKA, constitutionally strong; he tends to run hot sometimes at night (he sleeps w/us, so I know, as he likes to kick off the blankets), he rarely gets colsa, and the few times have been when he runs around outside on those first warm days of spring, gets all sweaty, takes off his jacket and the next morning it’s puffy eyes, sneezing, runny nose and post-nasal drip for a week or so (thanks to the grandparents for that last time, LOL); hx. + for one URI as an infant (basically daycareitis; abx. tx.), conjunctivitis x2 around the same time (abx. as well) and a few mild episodes of ot. med. (MD rec’d abx., we went w/“wait and see” to no adverse effect);
understand if you are not able to say based on above, of course;
thanks
Of course, consult first with your local qualified practitioner, but off-the-record, the Jade Screen formula is very gentle and at a half dose would likely do the trick…
From what you described, you son gets wind invasion - we always say not to get sweaty and go out into the wind - the pores are ‘open’, thus allowing for the easy passage of pathogens.
That’s why any good Chinese mom/grandma/acupuncturist will remind you to wear your scarf when you leave the house… even in the summer!
cheers
ox
PS TGY, great synopsis- sounds like an episode of House!
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;932138]It’s all a bid to kill the Mexican economy so Chrysler and GM can close all their plants there.
Notice how there is no talk in the media about the torture memos anymore too?
But I’ve said too much already.
I vote we call it the mmmmmpocalypse![/QUOTE]
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
[QUOTE=herb ox;932394]Of course, consult first with your local qualified practitioner, but off-the-record, the Jade Screen formula is very gentle and at a half dose would likely do the trick… [/QUOTE]
gotcha; thank you for your “off the record” assessment; actually, I was going have him see a friend / colleague who is an RN / LAc, just haven’t had the time; but it’s good to know what to have around in a pinch
[QUOTE=herb ox;932394]From what you described, you son gets wind invasion - we always say not to get sweaty and go out into the wind - the pores are ‘open’, thus allowing for the easy passage of pathogens.[/QUOTE]
yes, I was thinking it had to do with “wind” something or other (my TCM database is somewhat limited); usually when he gets the sniffles, I dose him w/my sifu’s “cure all” brew of ginger / lemon / honey - usually does the trick; also sleeping w/the camphor / menthol plug-in thingy works great;
[QUOTE=herb ox;932394]That’s why any good Chinese mom/grandma/acupuncturist will remind you to wear your scarf when you leave the house… even in the summer!:D[/QUOTE]
LOL - I am sooo trained by my sifu - as soon as it hits 60 or lower, everyone’s wearing a hat and scarf - which is why I was so p/o’d this year, because I know what he’s susceptible to, so I was totally circumspect keeping him healthy all friggin’ winter, and of course the first warm day, the grandparents let him run around w/no jacket and get all sweaty - yeesh…
actually, one “old guy” I studied w/for a brief time had a great way of dealing w/the shock of going in and out of air-conditioned buildings/subways in the summer: before you go in (or out), you take a deep breath of the air you are in; then you walk into the other temp, holding the breath as long as you can; then you exhale that breath all the way and hold it out as long as you can; only then do you take a breath of the different air - by then you are much more acclimated - works like a charm, I gotta tell you, especially in NYC subways in the summer!
[QUOTE=herb ox;932394]PS TGY, great synopsis- sounds like an episode of House![/QUOTE]
I’m a PT, wife’s an MD, it’s all in a days SOAP note, LOL;
thanks again for your perspective;
Word to the wise. If you do plan on starting a global conspiracy, make sure your staff doesn’t accidentally get infected in the process.
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;932444]I dose him w/my sifu’s “cure all” brew of ginger / lemon / honey - usually does the trick; [/QUOTE]
Sounds tasty… and it makes sense… this is actually a very elegant yet simple formula… If I may digress… The ginger “releases the exterior”, (makes you perspire) to release the “wind” (i.e. pathogenic factor), while removing cold and stopping cough. It also harmonizes the “ying and the wei”… say whaaat? :eek: If the Wei Qi is the protective qi, imagined as the front line of soldiers, the Ying Qi is the base with the reinforcements. (How’s that for fanciful concepts? :p) Oh yeah, and ginger fortifies and warms the “middle burner” or the digestion, which is almost always weakened during illness.
The lemon, in traditional terms, is astringent and sour. In my opinion, this would check the above induced perspiration slightly to prevent damaging the fluids, while the honey tonifies the spleen and the yin and makes it darn tasty! Just float some of the Ban Lan Gen GeneChing was talking about in there and you got a flu fighter. It’d be kinda bitter though…
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;932444]… before you go in (or out), you take a deep breath of the air you are in; then you walk into the other temp, holding the breath as long as you can; then you exhale that breath all the way and hold it out as long as you can; only then do you take a breath of the different air - by then you are much more acclimated - works like a charm, I gotta tell you, especially in NYC subways in the summer![/QUOTE]
Now that I’ve never heard of! That’s quite fascinating… I mean, how does that work? Is it 'cause you’re adjusting your body or is it a form of qigong? Either way, I gotta try it. Thanks!
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;932444] …it’s all in a days SOAP note, LOL;[/QUOTE]
I suspected something was at play there…
Kind regards
herb ox
[QUOTE=herb ox;932449]Sounds tasty… and it makes sense… this is actually a very elegant yet simple formula… [/QUOTE]
this is how my teacher sees TCM: elegant simplicity; and his “specialty” actually is healing teas; this particular one, which has been dubbed “Hon’s brew” after him by us his students, works like a charm every time
[QUOTE=herb ox;932449]If I may digress… The ginger “releases the exterior”, (makes you perspire) to release the “wind” (i.e. pathogenic factor), while removing cold and stopping cough. [/QUOTE]
the way I see it, each of the ingredients contains natural antimicrobials, so that makes sense in terms of the “killing stuff” perspective; but thanks for the “digression”;
oh, as far as perspiration, my sifu has commented that herbal TCM does 3 main things to get out the sickness: makes you sweat, makes you urinate or makes you throw up (I think in that order of preference); don’t know if it’s an oversimplicfication, but whatever;
[QUOTE=herb ox;932449]It also harmonizes the “ying and the wei”… say whaaat? :eek: If the Wei Qi is the protective qi, imagined as the front line of soldiers, the Ying Qi is the base with the reinforcements. (How’s that for fanciful concepts? :p) [/QUOTE]
very fanciful; but it is a great way to conceptualize it;
[QUOTE=herb ox;932449]Oh yeah, and ginger fortifies and warms the “middle burner” or the digestion, which is almost always weakened during illness. [/QUOTE]
yeah, sifu is big on the basis of colds being digestive: recall him mentioning how one leads to the other, but that was the take home message;
[QUOTE=herb ox;932449]The lemon, in traditional terms, is astringent and sour. In my opinion, this would check the above induced perspiration slightly to prevent damaging the fluids, while the honey tonifies the spleen and the yin and makes it darn tasty! Just float some of the Ban Lan Gen GeneChing was talking about in there and you got a flu fighter. It’d be kinda bitter though…:([/QUOTE]
thanks - went out and got Gan Mao Ling tablets, some Si Shi Gan Mao Cha (ing: flos lonicera, fructus forsythiae, folium mori, herba lophatheri, radix isatidis, radix platycodi) and a basic combo of ban lan gen and da qing ye;
[QUOTE=herb ox;932449]Now that I’ve never heard of! That’s quite fascinating… I mean, how does that work? Is it 'cause you’re adjusting your body or is it a form of qigong? Either way, I gotta try it. Thanks![/QUOTE]
it’s just helping the internal body not get hit w/the shock of the temp change: you know how when you walk out of an AC building in the summer and get hit w/the wall of heat? if you do this, take a deep breath of the cold air and hold it in when you go out, you don’t feel it nearly as much; and by the time you exhale, hold it out and then finally inhale, your external body has adjusted, so the internal is able to handle the temp change better; works amazingly well, and very simple; key is to remember to do it! honestly, it’s the best thing I ever learned from this guy…
[QUOTE=herb ox;932449]I suspected something was at play there…[/QUOTE]
my personal goal is to one day write an entire SOAP note using only abbreviations…
[QUOTE=herb ox;932449]Kind regards[/QUOTE]
likewise;
I now know several friends who’ve contracted swine flu
I am going to do that merge I mentioned above now…
Sept. 16, 2009, 7:57 p.m. EDT ·
Traditional medicine can cure swine flu: Chinese state media
By MarketWatch
LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) – Recent clinical trials in Beijing show traditional Chinese medicine is effective in preventing and curing the A/H1N1 virus, commonly known as “swine flu,” according to a report Thursday in Chinese state media.
The report cited the Beijing Municipal Health Bureau as saying traditional cures were validated by five months of research, prompting the city to reserve 2 million doses of the unspecified treatment.
“The Beijing municipal government has invested 10 million yuan ($1.4 million) to test the effectiveness and safety of [traditional Chinese medicine] to treat A/H1N1 flu since May,” the report quoted the city’s chief of traditional medicine Zhao Jing as saying.
Zhao said that as of Sept. 1, a total 326 of 845 confirmed cases of A/H1N1 in Beijing had been cured with traditional treatments, adding that such cures proved “very effective” in combination with Western medicine.
The report also quoted Wang Yuguang, a senior expert with Beijing Ditan Hospital, as saying: “Clinical tests have showed that [traditional medicine] doses help reduce symptoms of fever, sore throat and cough. … No side effects and adverse reactions have been reported.”
The H1N1 swine flu is not your regular flu. If it does not kill you, it will certainly make you think it is going to. I had it in the winter of 57/58. Actually January of 58, and I have to tell you that I have had regular flu several times before and since then, and none of it even compares to the swine flu. They called it the Hong Kong flu back then. The US government knows exactly what this flu is, and this is why they seem to be running scared over it. My question is just where the hell has this flu been hiding for the past 50 years?
You can pass it off as a conspiracy or whatever, but I would recommend that if you have access to it, get a vaccine shot for it. This stuff killed over 78,000 people in this country alone back then, and who knows world wide. It is nothing to worry about unless of course you are the one that gets it. One thing about it though, it never killed anyone that wasn’t already praying for death.
Swine flu
The Swine flu is a bit different virus from the one you had, the Swine is a H1N1 and the Hong Kong Flu is a H3N2.
I don’t know which is worse but from what you stated it doesn’t sound like fun to have the HK flu.
Well, this one is killing people too. Not so many right now, but the flu season, or the regular flu season, has not even begun yet. This stuff has stayed around all summer long.
I was reading an article that actually called the 57/58 epidemic an H1N1 and said that some of us that are at least 50 years old might have immunity to it. Since it has been hitting young people mostly this could well be true. I have no idea what kind of flu it is, just going by the news article. Tamiflu only relieves the symptoms somewhat, but nothing can kill the virus out of you except your own antibodies, provided you have been vaccinated or have had it in the past. Well, if you survive it you should hold immunity to it from then on. Maybe.
in teh usa, some 30,000 people die of regular influenza every year.
In China, the number is harder to find out, because the state has a propensity for either lying about it to save face or not gathering data at all.
Having said that, the population model would approximate that CHina’s death by influenza are same proportionately, so likely to be close to some 100k people a year dying of regular strains of influenza in China.
Having said that, TCM has no cure for the flu. If they did, it would be more widely practiced.
Fluid and rest. That’s it.
H1N1’s problematic, but not for long. It will get rolled into standard vaccinations soon enough. November will see the roll out of vaccines for H1N1 in Canada. We are taking a different approach than other countries because we are using the adjuvant variety fo the vaccine whereas other countries such as USA and European countries are deciding to go with non adjuvant variety.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;960783]Having said that, TCM has no cure for the flu. If they did, it would be more widely practiced.[/QUOTE]
hey! stop piszing on my placebo effect!:mad:
[QUOTE=golden arhat;932083]
THERE IS NO LAW IN FLORIDA THAT SAYS LYING ON THE NEWS IS ILLEGAL
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must be the same in oregon. i was just recently involved in a bank hold up again and on fox news the story highlighting the institution had several flat out lies. i know because i was there, and some of the ‘information’ they reported was completely fabricated, without even a possibility of mis understood reporting. Just flat out made up.
its not new news, but the media does just flat out straight face lie with full intent to do so.
two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar a day… keep a healthy state of mind and everything will be okay. 