[QUOTE=Graham H;1097997]I’m not sure. He did say he would wait until all the other people have realeased their books. I have a few paragraphs from it. It’s not a how to book but rather WSL’s thinking and a lot of WSL’s hand written texts are in it. I can’t wait but I would hazzard a guess that he may never do it. Rubbish huh. I think it’s been a long time in the making. If you have read his booklet “Real Ving Tsun” there are some gems to be discovered. Something for the VT Police to jump on I guess!! LOL
I can send you photocopies but it is in german. I have read the english translations but havent got it. Desmond has it all I think.
If you know somebody who speaks german they can help you translate it. Failing that I can’t help you out bro.
Philipp and Des have given me some good reading. Of course your Glenns and Spencers of this world wouldn’t agree with it all because, like me, it contradicts their ideas! LOL
[QUOTE=Graham H;1097997]I’m not sure. He did say he would wait until all the other people have realeased their books. I have a few paragraphs from it. It’s not a how to book but rather WSL’s thinking and a lot of WSL’s hand written texts are in it. I can’t wait but I would hazzard a guess that he may never do it. Rubbish huh. I think it’s been a long time in the making. If you have read his booklet “Real Ving Tsun” there are some gems to be discovered. Something for the VT Police to jump on I guess!! LOL
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[QUOTE=Graham H;1098005]I can send you photocopies but it is in german. I have read the english translations but havent got it. Desmond has it all I think.
If you know somebody who speaks german they can help you translate it. Failing that I can’t help you out bro.
Philipp and Des have given me some good reading. Of course your Glenns and Spencers of this world wouldn’t agree with it all because, like me, it contradicts their ideas! LOL
Sorry Spence…you’re alright really.
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Excellent. I will pm address. I can work on translation.
[QUOTE=kowloonboy;1097911]I agreed, but to be honest, I don’t think these book or DVD series would never happens, but what I read so far online and my personal experience with other Kung Fu style Sifus. All my Kung Fu style Sifus always claimed that their style (Hung Gar, Praying Mantis, Shaolin, Tai Chi and so on) are better and they teaches the ultimate art and the answer to all situations. If you even dare to question them, but this style do this, they will ask beat you up in front of all students to make a point that their style is better than others.
I do hope this book and DVD series, or even a Wing Chun master of all lineage gathering does happen and come up with the complete curriculum, as it will help us a lot. I have studies many systems of Martial Arts before, and I do trust that Wing Chun is better for my personal physical build (But when I discover that there are a lot of missing jigsaw of different lineages of WC, it does put me off. If you go to learn Muay Thai - all school teach the same. If you go to a TKD school, they all teach the same, and so does most Martial Art system around the world. But do we have to go and try to learn from all styles of Wing Chun just to be complete?? Which is impossible)
BTW, I like your teaching and website a lot. Shame that I don’t live in NYC. :([/QUOTE]
Thank you. There are people here who have studied various lineages of WC including myself. Maybe a DVD collaboration with Sifus who have studied and taught other lineages is possible.
[QUOTE=wolf3001;1097881]What is the best book for Wing Chun out there? I have a few but im looking for something that covers all the terminology in one book. I thought I read somewhere that the WC Museum was putting together a major book on all thing Wing Chun but now im not finding anything. I mainly want something that covers the techniques and theories behind the art. I have trouble with some of the terminology and would also like accurate English translations of the techniques. I have often times ran into issues with different translations for a technique. We have gotten into several discussions in class about the names of techniques and my Sifu is not always there.[/QUOTE]
Probably could find this information on the internet with judicious research.
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1097958]I would highly recommend Simply Wing Chun by Sifu Shawn Rawcliffe and also recommend the series of books by Sifu Alan Gibson (why wing chun works etc), but you will not find a resolution to the terminology in a book. The terminology in Wing Chun is difficult because the same shape can have different labels depending upon the energy applied / method of application even within the same lineage. When different lineages are brought together it gets even more confusing. When the Ip Man tong was originally thought of the VTAA convened a meeting with various senior sifus from hong kong and the mainland they spent hours arguing about techniques and the content of forms etc and noone could agree. Finally after one debate over whether a technique existed in Wing Chun or not one of the protagonists stood up and demonstrated what he was talking about and immediately everyone agreed that it was in the system but everyone had different names for the movement performed. In my opinion the label is ultimately unimportant and you would be far better spending your time practising the movements and their applications, exploring their strengths and their limitations than worrying about what things are called.[/QUOTE]
Thing is I have been in Wing Chun for many years now and really I have a year or 2 before I can grade for instructor level. Each Sifu does things a bit differently even with gradings things are sometimes done differently depending on who is grading you. I have made it a point to only be graded by my Sifu’s Jerry and Ronda Bolding. My teachers don’t always talk about what a movement is called over the last year I have been learning more of these techniques by name. I have seen various conversations online where someone uses a term and feel a bit embarrassed that I have no clue what they are talking about yet then I see the movement and know exactly what it is and how it is used. Because of the situation I am in I don’t get much time with my Sifu anymore. We lost our school due to lack of students and he and his wife are busy and tired of doing so much. They would like one of their students to take over but no one really has. My friend and I are levels 8 and 9 we took on responsibility to keep this going. Depending on how familiar you are with our grading structure I will say 10 is the beginning of instructor level. We started teaching with no support from anyone then after some time trying to talk to others from the old school we got things rolling again. I would like very much to learn all I can from Master Jerry and to teach everything I learn to others but it’s sort of stupid in my view to teach only bits of a system. Eventually over time things get lost and then it’s no longer what it should be. This bothers me I would like to understand more about the terms and such to pass it on as well not just the movements.
At the end of classes we sometimes line everyone up hold out our arm using a technique and ask everyone what is this and what does the name mean. Unlike many I train with I am the only one who gets online and looks at Wing Chun as a whole and questions why we do things as we do. I do train with some that refer to our system as Traditional that William Cheung trained as a live in student with Ip Man and learned the true system as taught to him by Leung Bik. However I don’t blindly follow. I question even Ip Man but the man is dead so I am left looking at other branches not so connected to Ip Man. Around here there are no other Wing Chun schools I can’t even find another Chinese art here. I think Cheung’s system works better than many I have seen but I will never say it’s the true art above any other Wing Chun system. I do argue with people over how they practice Wing Chun because I see some major issues with some things people do because it looks bad from my experience actually fighting. Just for example shifting without picking up your feet. I see many do this but we don’t and just like my father my Sifu scolded me for not picking up my feet as I shifted and moved. Depending on a surface it can hider movement. Another example is how many Wing Chun people lean back. It seems to me they are off balance and putting to much weight on one leg. To me this makes it hard to move quickly and effectively.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1097901]One of my favorite books is “The Complete Wing Chun”. I would be nice though if some WC Sifus would get together and do a book on each other’s lineages. That would be a great seller since many people might not buy a book outside of their lineage but would buy a book that showed their lineage. The extra bonus being that they’d see other lineages as well.[/QUOTE]
I seen a couple of books that have Complete Wing Chun in the name who was the author? Im guessing it’s Complete Wing Chun: The Definitive Guide to Wing Chun’s History and Traditions am I right?
I thought you and Kev had taken over that role from T.
I still enjoy James Yimm Lee’s book. Simple, direct, basic…like Wing Chun.
That was the first KF book I ever bought, and I still think it stacks up pretty well.
Robert Chu and Rene Ritchie’s book is a good read, and Rene’s book on Yuen Kay San WCK is interesting as well.
I have both - also the Gee/Meng Mastering WC, which is OK though I could do without Benny’s political content, and nearly all the William Cheung books.
I too quite like Alan Gibson’s books.
I also think “Strong on Defense” and Geoff Thompson’s “Watch my Back” and “Dead or Alive” are essential reading for MAists of any persuasion.
[QUOTE=wolf3001;1099096]I seen a couple of books that have Complete Wing Chun in the name who was the author? Im guessing it’s Complete Wing Chun: The Definitive Guide to Wing Chun’s History and Traditions am I right?[/QUOTE]
Two of the authors are Rene Ritchie and Robert Chu I forgot the other authors name.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1099154]Two of the authors are Rene Ritchie and Robert Chu I forgot the other authors name.[/QUOTE]
The other guy is Y. Wu… never could find his full name.
Y. Wu has been involved in Wing Chun since 1984. He is a practitioner of Nanyang Wing Chun under S.Y. Liu and of Yip Man style Wing Chun under Victor Leow. In addition, Y. Wu is a practitioner of Yang Chienhuo style Taijiquan, Taiji Ruler Qigong, Baguazhang, and Ngok Ga Kuen. Author of “The Nanyang Wing Chun Primer Vol. 1.” and the upcoming “The Nanyang Wing Chun Primer Vol. 2 & 3”. Y. Wu lives, works, and practices in South East Asia.
I received an email from David Peterson who I really respect, saying that he would contribute to a “Joint” Wing Chun book. Joy Chaudhuri also offered to contribute. So it seems that some Wing Chun people are big enough to contribute to the art we all love regardless of lineage. I still think we are one (though sometimes troubled), family.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1099163]I received an email from David Peterson who I really respect, saying that he would contribute to a “Joint” Wing Chun book. Joy Chaudhuri also offered to contribute. So it seems that some Wing Chun people are big enough to contribute to the art we all love regardless of lineage. I still think we are one (though sometimes troubled), family. ;)[/QUOTE]
I hope this book does come out, will it also have DVD series?
I have a few paragraphs from it. It’s not a how to book but rather WSL’s thinking and a lot of WSL’s hand written texts are in it. I can’t wait but I would hazzard a guess that he may never do it. Rubbish huh. I think it’s been a long time in the making. If you have read his booklet “Real Ving Tsun” there are some gems to be discovered. Something for the VT Police to jump on I guess!! LOL