Hello short hand brothers,
Thanks Mantis 108, your posts are always like little treasures, I read them over and over again. So it all comes down to ‘breathing and relaxed alertness’. If only it was so easy to do as it is said… I notice I’m not as out of breath as I used to be after a form. But do you mean that I shouldn’t be out of breath at all after finishing a form?
By the way, here’s a link to the vietnamese pak mei lineage. http://www.firstlink.com.au/wahnam
Regards, Lau
Hi byz,
It been awhile since we have heard from you. How goes it?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Why do you label Meng Fu Chut Lum as the “currently” most advanced form of the system? Do you think another set may eventually be added or are there other forms yet unrevealed?[/quote]
I am pretty sure that there is a most advanced set called “Ng Heng Mor” (Five Element Touch) A.K.A “Mor Hau Sau” (Touch Throat Hands). I remembered someone posted the HK Bak Mei’s curriculum, which has it listed, on this forum before it was moved. As a fool, I forgot to copy it down. I was told by Sifu Chow Fook that this set has not been taught to many people due to its lethal potential. It is consider lost. I hope this wouldn’t be the case; otherwise, it is a sad and irreversable mistake of the system. So currently Meng Fu, IMHO, is considered the most advanced.
Hi Lau,
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Thanks Mantis 108, your posts are always like little treasures, I read them over and over again. So it all comes down to ‘breathing and relaxed alertness’. If only it was so easy to do as it is said… I notice I’m not as out of breath as I used to be after a form. But do you mean that I shouldn’t be out of breath at all after finishing a form?[/quote]
Thank you. You have given me much credit. I am glad you find something in my posts. I only try to share what little knowledge I know so that more brothers and sisters would follow suit. Hopefully, getting more people interest in the art and we are further develope.
Breathing is a sign of mastery. It is also, the body and the mind’s way of communitcating to the individual their states of well being. If you are emtionally or physically stressed, you will be breathing hard, right? Correct breathing empowers the individual. In Lung Ying and Bak Mei, we talk about “Tun To”. That’s correct breathing that is taught when doing Bak Mei’s “Jik Bo” (Straight Steps). I believe the Macao book has Jik Bo as the main internal training exercise. Most of Bak Mei’s forms are like that. You can do them relatively slower and focus more on the breathing and use them as internal training (“Sup Ji” don’t really follow this since it is more or less an assimulated set). So, yes I would consider a player of Bak Mei with a calm and relaxed composture as a sign of mastery.
Mantis108.
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Hi Mantis108,
Like Lau, I too, appreciate your words of wisdom, insight and knowledge. Thank you for being such a great role model! I know that all of the founders and past masters are smiling down on individuals such as yourself and the others on the list who are trying to help spread the arts and keep them at a high standard.
I was visiting C.S. Tang’s site: http://www.go.to/cstang
and I noticed that he had Ng Hahng Mo listed as well as the syllabus taught by Master Cheung’s son. Is this the same as the list you referred to?
Also, I am still unclear about the principle of “fauh chum.” Could you please clarify this for me and other beginners?
Best wishes 
byz
Hello mantis108,
Thats a very nice poem!!! Thank you.
I never did see any poems on Bai Mee before. Nice to know they do exist.
You guys in kung fu online talk often about lineage, well my teacher is Kong Mien Ho. I studied Bai Mee in Holland for more then 15 years with him. His teacher trained under Cheung Lai Chuen.
Its good to see more people know Bai Mee, for years I thougt it almost did not exist. I am happy that I got it wrong. Any idea how many people studie Bai Mee and in what countries?
Hi All,
Glad to be back.
byz,
Thank you for your kind words and support. I think I will open another thread on the concept of “Tun To Fau Chum”. It is a very important concept in both Lung Ying and Bak Mei.
Bai Mee Player,
Welcome aboard. Nice to know more different lineage out there. May I ask how many people are in your Kwoon (school) and how long have you studied BM? There are quite a few Bak Mei brothers from Europe on this broad. In fact, the number of BM people is much larger than most of us think. Stay tuned my friend, more good people and good stuff should be coming.
Mantis108
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sorry to bring this back out.
ng hung mor, is the most highest form. i have it and i also have a pak mei hay kung manual. all advance levels of pak mei must be yau (soft). like the yau kung moon system, i believe thats the way they do there forms. this is high level pak mei. i think yau kung moons internal is probably correct for learning pak mei. any ykm people like to confirm this for me.
peace
ps do you know how the five elements go into forms and the five animal, 8 step cicada form of pak mei.
fierce tiger,
you are correct, our highest level forms are all internal. they are practiced slowly like tai chi. they are different though.our other level forms are all external and practiced hard.
Revival
Just revive this for Pak Mei.
Mantis108
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Bai Mei most advanced form-
Ng Hang is not the highest form of Bak Mei. Fierce Tiger From Forest is highest from of Bak mei.
There is something called Ng Heng in Bak Mei but it is not a hand form.
To know Fierce Tiger form is to really capture the power and ferocity of a tiger. Your “jing” should be so powerful at this time that ppl. who see you perform it would be terrified to even come close to you.
I agree with Fierce Tiger and lungyuil Bak Mei use internal qi, soft(yau)kung, but it is unlike tai chi. Think ppl. mostly think that tai chi move slow, look relax, calm, Bai Mei is not like that. Bak mei energy explode like atomic bomb, hand strikes like lightning. Very diff. type power from tai chi. Bak Mei power also described in poem.
[This message was edited by kull on 01-19-01 at 05:20 AM.]
hi kull
i would like to talk to you on a few thing about bak mei. do you have a email i can drop you a line??
or you can email me! 
peace
The YKM soft internal forms are like tai chi as in they are practised soft and slow but don’t resemble tai chi . T
BFP has these forms too. Done relaxed and smooth, but alittle faster than Taichi, to develop speed and internal power.
So what’s up with this 5 Animal couplet? Isn’t this a Shil Lum thing? Does this fit in with Bak Mei’s O’mei mt. studies? It IS written like some esoteric Taoist stuff. Where are these “songs and poems” from?
[This message was edited by MoQ on 01-19-01 at 11:08 AM.]
About the couplet
This one hanged at the alter of the Kwoon. There are also others like the Lung Ying one. Most of the couplets, which are on display, are motivational, self-growth, history types. This one basically tells of the difficulty of both learning and transmitting the system. The immortal part depicted the Taoist connection; where as, the five animals show the Shaolin root. In many Chinese mind, Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism are all for one and one for all. They all point one towards the turth.
Mantis108
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Five Animal Couplet
We have this couplet on our training uniforms.
We get many people coming up to us, asking what these characters mean. Only a few of us have got this couplet explained and translated.
It’s great to see that, someone can translate the meaning and keep the true essence in which it is written.
Mantis108, once the Chinese New Year has finished, I will send you a copy of the Gow Bo Tuew Kuen couplet.
Dave Stevens
Thank you.
Dave,
Thanks for the compliment. Bak Mei has so much depth to it that, I am only able to share little of what I know. I hope more of our brothers will follow your example to bring about genuine discussion on our beloved art. Thanks in advance for the material. I shall send over mine in due course. BTW, the training uniform would look real great with the couplet on it. Is it red ink on white shirt?
Mantis108
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Re: Pak Mei couplet
Mantis,
Yes it is in red ink, but we have two uniforms, white t’shirts for the that mainly train in Pak Mei and black t’stirts for guys the train in Pak Mei & Lion Dancing.
Personally I prefer the balsck t’shirts with the couplet in red ink, and the Tiger design and writing are in gold ink.
However most of the students are now lion dancers, it must be the uniform!!!LOL.
Dave Stevens