The version I practice has both Yang and yin elements, the first half of ba duan jin has a lot of elements that train the tendons, and ribs (yang) and is similiar to yit gun ging, the second half is more yin by nature.
The first half has a lot of horse work and is hard work …the whole set done correctly with all the 8 breathing patterns takes about 45mins.
I was taught the same set with a health focus, and it is much easier by far, more yin all the way through and focuses on nurturing the chi and breath.
Later this year I will be releasing an instructional dvd on Ba Duan Jin for martial arts
It is freeware I believe. I use the older version I paid for.
There is a bit of a learning curve and you will need to purchase some cables to connect your vcr to your computer. I have done about 6 vcr tapes and the quality is pretty good. It might just be easier for you to have someone do it for you. If you can get good copies of your tapes send them to me one at a time and I could do it for you. It is up to you. Once you know how to use Dr. Divx though it is pretty easy. For example I had trouble getting the sound to record so I had to run the the vcr stereo sound into a plug and then plug it into my computer sound cards mike jack to get the sound to record, but if you have time and patience you can figure it out. It is worth the effort in my opinion.
You cannot burn to DvD with it if that is what you mean. If you mean convert from DvD to another format then try:
the first ba duan jin i learned had no ma bu. the shaolin one i learned later had lots of horses and shared ideas with the first such as heel drops, sealing, gathering, collecting and sinking, focus on hands and dantien, opening the guas and so on.
that second set is reminiscent of zhao bao taichi leg work. the deep tendon stretching is similar to a side to side exercise I’ve seen in shuai chiao. Not really snake creeps down per se though ED. Some same benefits to it though.
thanks scott, i think i will have my student look into this as he is a college student with al the gadgets, hell I am still using a sony walkman, cant figure out the I pod yet LOL but thank you for the help.
David excuse my ignorance i have never seen such an excersize for shuai chiao, and it looked like a tachi stretching one to me, but indeed sparked my interest. i watched it twice as i was amazed at how gracful he was and how flexible, there are times when he isnt even touching or resting on the ground. amazing
Anyone practice regularly? and have you seen any benifits? I’m debating focusing less on my 24 form (I’ve been doing it twice a day for 9 years) and more on Eight Section Brocade. Any thoughts.
I practice both the Eight Section Brocade and the Yang Short Form daily. However, I practice the Eight Section Brocade only once while I go over the form at least three times.
Have I seen any benefis? Honestly, I’m not really sure but I’m told that it builds up “protective chi” so why not practice it?
[QUOTE=dharmastudent;787234]I practice both the Eight Section Brocade and the Yang Short Form daily. However, I practice the Eight Section Brocade only once while I go over the form at least three times.
Have I seen any benefis? Honestly, I’m not really sure but I’m told that it builds up “protective chi” so why not practice it?[/QUOTE]
I love my Tai Chi and will always practice it. But with everthing else in my schedule "Church, family, fitness and work) I have to spend my time wisely. I have no doubt my 24 form helps me but in order for me to begin more practice of something else like “Eight Section Brocade” It will have to be a sure bet like the 24form is for me.
[QUOTE=Egg fu young;787248]I love my Tai Chi and will always practice it. But with everthing else in my schedule "Church, family, fitness and work) I have to spend my time wisely. I have no doubt my 24 form helps me but in order for me to begin more practice of something else like “Eight Section Brocade” It will have to be a sure bet like the 24form is for me.[/QUOTE]
It is a sure bet. Initially the only benefits from doing Ba Duan Jin (Pa Tuan Chin) will be how alert and ‘alive’ it makes you feel, but there are more benefits later on. Also it only takes a short time to do it, so it will not be a much of a burden to add it to your daily schedule. I usually do it once in the morning on the back porch before I leave for work. If you have five minutes (10 minutes, tops) you can handle it.
[QUOTE=SPJ;787446]people practice 8 brocade for health since Song dynasty.
Shaolin monks also practice the set.
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Like SPJ said, the eight pieces of brocade is probably the most popular chi kung set out there. There are many variants of it.
[QUOTE=SPJ;787446]if you are in a hurry, then just pick one.
repeat 8 times and do it slowly and remember to inhale and exhale evenly.
I like the one that you open your arms on top of your head, –
It is to help to regulate the 3 burners or Li San Jiao.
I practice a mixed type.
I pick one set and just do that set for a month or so.
If you do the 8 postures x 8 times, it will take up a lot of time.
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SPJ, those are interesting ideas. I usually do each piece 3 times, but your advice to just pick one if you’re in a hurry is a good idea…some chi kung is better than none. It would also allow you to focus on one move for a while. Cool idea.
In the Qi Gong form, BaDuanJin, there is a posture, the second one : left-right drawing bow as if shooting golden eagle ( I guess one has to shoot it from the sky, and aim high ?? )
The effect is : This exercise spreads the shoulders and expands the chest. The warrior-like posture gives vent to emotions in the heart. It sorts out qi in the liver and removes chest pain, side pain, and aches in the shoulder blades and across the upper back. ( from ShaolinChanCity )
I am wondering if one does this in a mabu, will it have the same effect ?
[QUOTE=Eugene;998969]The effect is : This exercise spreads the shoulders and expands the chest. The warrior-like posture gives vent to emotions in the heart. It sorts out qi in the liver and removes chest pain, side pain, and aches in the shoulder blades and across the upper back.[/QUOTE]iron ball juggling in a deep horse stance amplifies this effect… then again it amplifies most anything in the martial arts.
The mabu can be high or low but the body needs to be rooted with a yin yang difference (the side pulling the bow open has more weight than the other) and follow the gravitational force and not to strain your knees by pushing it too far forward or to one side, plus the qi must to sink to the lower dantain.
Look at all the pictures and see who is the most comfortable and stable and can stay in the posture the longest (zhanzhuang) and that would be the best way of doing it.
Eugene,
There are so many differences among the various qigong exercises…it can get confusing. So, I recommend looking at the similarities between them…that is where you’ll find the most important points to remember.
This move is found in many different traditions in China, and even in tantric traditions in India and Tibet. The stance can be high or low and you’ll still receive the benefit. The most important thing in qigong is that whatever movement you make, you do so deliberately and with awareness.
