Je lei Sifu & Mantis Boxer are correct.
The mou ying gerk is very simple and appears in fu hok seung ying and ng ying (and sup ying) as well as part of the crane movement were two hands like wings and kick straight.
Both grappling, distracting and blocking form the preliminary component of the kick it is really not a big deal (Not too mention the clothing of the Wong fei hong era where the cloth could be lifted to distract or hide the kick). Like all martial arts there are no secrets only things other people don’t know or realise
to say that the kick is not a big deal, puts no value to the faht. this kick was learnt by wong fei hung from another sifu, who asked in exchange of wong fei hung learning it, to be taught two forms, one being tit sien kuen.
the posture is in the pillars of the hung system, and i would say for one to state that it is no big deal doesn’t understand the methods, intention of the posture or the usage.
even wong fei hungs’ last wife, mok wai lan, stated that when wong fei hung taught her the faht, she would not use it because it was too murderous, her words not mine.
the use of the faht with da xue, in itself dictates to the player the extent of the usage, what you have described in the hok ying area, is a superficial usage, that shows no depth.
i agree totally that there are no secrets in gung fu, it is only when you are shown the depth, the secrets are dispersed, they are not secrets only hidden wisdom revealed when the student is ready.
wong fei hung was a great player of hung gar, this alone tells us how important a price he placed on mo ying guek.
Ask your teacher if it is a big deal! Any teacher knows that the technique alone cannot do anything. The only way that Mo Ying Gerk is of use is through repetitive practice.Faht = Method.
The method is just another as are all others from the sup duk sao to the sup yi kiu Sao again there is nothing fantastic about any techniques. I mean in shaolin there may be a million techniques endless methods of applications etc… But in themselves they are basically empty. In fact practising a basic punch everyday would with correct Faht (Method) become especially potent. Da xue = Cavity Striking again is only obtained with practice I could show a million secret techniques or famous ones because they were used by past masters (favoured by them, everyone is unique and favours what they desire) from Dragon Tail kick to Tai qi’s Beng Quan to Xin Yi’s Kong jin but all these are only great techniques if practised. Any teacher will know that technique alone is insufficient yes it is famous, yes it has worked, yes it is deadly but no it is not the only thing and no it is not so special. No need to hype skills up for the sake of mysticising and glorifying one’s arts.
Mok Gwai Lan would have found the kick to her liking because Mok Ga (which she practised previously) already had a lot of the basics for the kick due to its continous legs sets with similar. So she would have become competent in the technique (through her foundation practice not for the sheer technique alone).
Traditionally in chinese martial arts hidden wisdom is not always revealed many a time it is discovered and then confirmed.
Lam Sai Wing Praised Wong fei hung’s kick as he was confronted with it at their first meeting. Wong fei hung would have favoured it because he found it to be suitable to him but Hung Hei Gun would have prefered a simple tiger claw or lohan strikes given his times or even duan da rolling ga ging da based on his fujian shaolin training . This is the way of shaolin specialisation and skill training.
The path is easy do not duelve on the leaves but rather understand the root
rhetoric is a great thing, and all that you have said is purely that.
comments like, “go ask your sifu”, is pure and simply childish, in the manner and content.
a posture is never "empty’, as you have put it, my only issue was the words that you have used, again to say it is no big deal, they are not the words to describe this or any other faht.
i don’t need to be taught how to demistify the propagation of secret fahts, nor do i promote such intention, what i am simply saying is that the words you used, are not the correct words for such a posture.
there is no respect in the words you have used.
as for mok gar, as i have said rhetorical, mok wai lan was taught by her uncle a reknowned mok gar player, she learnt the posture from wong fei hung, a faht not known to her at the time.
her skills in the mok gar, gives her authority on mo ying guek, and her words should be heard, she clearly got it first hand, so her opinion has great merit.
i understand what you are inferring to, more thought is sometimes required
I was taught that Mo-Ying Geurk is a concept rather than a technique. Remember, Hhung Ga ,as is wing chun,are concept oriented,not technique oriented systems. Mo-Ying also translates as formless, meaning deceptive. You can be deceptive with any kicking technique simply by breaking the so-called rules. These rules include distance,ki8cking height,set-ups, fakes, distractions, etc.Too many Hung gar people look at the techniques in their forms as just that-techniques. This is why so many Hung gar schools are teaching what I call shotokan with cool claws.It’s kinda like the proverb,“Give a man a fish and he will eat for one day, teach that man to fish and he willnever go hungry” by looking at your gung-fu as concepts, you will find endless variation of techniques, from the simple to the sublime.
I realize this is an old post but I am new to this forum and like reading about Hung_ga. Ten Tigers, thank you for shedding some light for me. I have been studying Hung-Ga for just over 1 year and find it to be even more interesting every time I learn something new. The more I read on this forum and practise the more I see of the bigger picture of Hung-Ga and Kung-Fu in general. Thanks
what you have said is clever, though nothing new,from the five sayings you have gone straight to “gai” (adapt), yet have left out the other four, from your years of experiance i am sure you have been taught and know these sayings, and if so why have you said what you have said???
so although what you have said is true in regards to techniques, by your own description of the fishing scenario one must first do “yi”, before they can get anywhere near “gai”
