Isn’t anything high percentage against an untrained fighter?
no crap, everyone acts like a fight with some punk on the street is very difficult and deadly. After training in heavy sparring with someone who is a much better fighter than you, fighting some untrained idiot with a big mouth is not that hard.
Originally posted by Oso
[B]>>^ the thing is, I suck with a front roundhouse.<<
me too, last year I tried for about 6 months to improve my front leg kicking and didn’t have much success, still better with back leg kicking…not faster…time to target was faster on the front leg but landed more often and stronger w/ back leg. 'course 6 months won’t erase 11+ years but I tried.
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What are you guys targeting, and how are you doing the kick? I’ve fallen in love with it over the past several months, and am pretty accurate with it. I usually kick to the inner thigh, outside if he’s in the opposite lead. I work it on the bag constantly and can get pretty good power out of it, even without the switch. It’s all in the opening and closing of the hips.
front leg front to ribs, trying to sneak in under guarding hand
front leg round to stomach/ribs
side kick mostly as a defensive posting kick.
this was in the sport jujitsu context where the standup was basically karate kumite rules. was trying to play the speed game when that’s not my forte’.
it was said that I had a funky jink in my chamber for my rear leg kicks that threw the timing off for the defender. 
not doing sport jj anymore so i’ll stick with what works for me.
usually my front leg kicks are low to the knee/shin/ankle for rooting the opponents lead leg as I close with hands.
Originally posted by metadragon
T The real problem is that it is not a particularly easy kick to apply against a moving and adrenalized opponent. The low kick has to be thrown at the right time with the right technique, or it’s just a slap on the thigh…ok as a sparring score, but not so good when somebody’s barreling in. Don’t get me wrong, it stings, but there are plenty of guys who can take that kind of shot and not start limping until the next morning.
that’s a good point - the rear leg kick should be set up with strikes.
it can really put somebody into a new world of pain, but you’ve got to drive your energy into it. I’ve found that it work best at a slightly downward angle while zoning 45 degrees across the opponent’s thigh. Throwing it from a stationary position often opens up the centerline…dangerous against an agressive, onrushing opponent. In particular trying to throw it while fading back leads to an instep kick even worse than the slapping kick described above.
that’s another good point - you have to commit to the kick. stepping out at an angle and swinging the leg through with the hips. by stepping straight ahead, you are bringing yourself directly into his punching range.
Some guys can kick really hard with the lead leg roundhouse, but from what I’ve seen, it’s mainly a speed technique. With the limited arc of a low kick, it doesn’t develop the kind of power that a higher line kick would.
you HAVE to get the hip motion the hip opens and turns over, closing again.
you quit sport jj? what happened to trying for the national team? I thought you were still doing it along with mantis.
ok, how to make this a short story…
after exploring the option of moving into my own space, I decided I couldn’t afford it w/ only a dozen solid students.
so, I attempted to get more time at the rec center but can’t do to some long standing clogging and garland dancing groups that have the rest of the evenings booked up.
I only have 3 nights a week available to me at the rec center and can’t get in till 7pm on one of those.
So, wanting to give my students more time, I extended the class times I have now. Unfortunately, I teach on the same nights as the jujitsu classes and by doing this I can’t get to class.
Had a long talk w/ my jujitsu teacher, who has really become a good mentor in my own efforts as a teacher, and he supported my decision fully. It was a tough decision that I didn’t want to make but ultimately I need to give all I can to my students.
your students are fortunate to have you as their teacher.
thanks, that means a lot.
right now, I’ve got a three year plan to quit the real world and teach full time by the time I’m 40.
back to topic…
I probably just need to work on the front leg more. Right now I’m just more effective, if slower, with the rear leg.
Are you meaning that you are utilizing front leg kicks for entering now as opposed to another method?
Well…
Originally posted by Sim Koning
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no crap, everyone acts like a fight with some punk on the street is very difficult and deadly. After training in heavy sparring with someone who is a much better fighter than you, fighting some untrained idiot with a big mouth is not that hard. [/B]
That depends on how you define “hard”. Nah, forget semantics. It can be very hard. Or it can be very easy. The very easy scenario is easy for everyone to visualize, but in case someone cannot think of a situation that could be characterized as hard, allow me to paint a quick picture.
You’re in a bar. You weigh 140 and you’re 5’7". Your friend just left to get the car. He needs to take you home because you’re buzzing pretty hard. You start walking toward the door but stumble into a 275 pound, 6’4" linebacker and 5 of his buddies. This linebacker is NOT having a good day. He seems to have a lot of bad days (read: he has been to quite a few bar fights). He wants to take you to the ground. His buddies seem to feel the same way about the situation.
That’s hard. And even with the alcohol removed, the situation is tricky at best. And even with the buddies removed, it’s still a serious situation with this guy.
Now, if you take this situation - or any of its variants as described - and put it somewhere behind the bar, it doesn’t necessarily get much better.
If you know what to do and have a cool head, you should be OK. Hopefully. But nonetheless, street and bar fights can be tough just as easily as they can be easy.
Re: Well…
Originally posted by Mika
But nonetheless, street and bar fights can be tough just as easily as they can be easy.
That sounded cool.
Originally posted by Oso
Are you meaning that you are utilizing front leg kicks for entering now as opposed to another method?
yeah, I do. I will throw it out there to make them aware that it’s ther and it stings. I also use it in combinations, typically at the start or end of a combination. yesterday in class, I made someone wince from landing the front leg to the ribcage - I can tell it’s getting better.