Any comic book fans here??

Just thought I’d take a break from the main forums for a little bit :wink: So I was sitting there reading my newest issue of X-Men and thought “wow, this comic’s actually cool again!” I really like how there’s finnally getting back to focusing on real issues like rascism, drug use, and other the average person can relate with, while not being “oreachy” about everything. I was getting tired of seeing them deal more with aliens than the normal US population. So what are your favorite comics? And just to make this kungfu related… are there any good martial arts themed comics in the English language? :smiley:

And has anyone seen the preview of the new X-men artist Kia Asamiya? Seeing the X-Men mangafied took a little getting used to, but overall I think the look is pretty slick :cool:

I love comic books, but can just barely stand superheroes.

some Favorites:

Jim, Eightball, Hate, Berlin, American Splendor, Palestine, Acme Novelty Library, Love and Rockets, Maakies, Cerebus, Bacchus,

Yeah, I’m a snooty fu(ker alright.

I like comics, but like Mr. Novice, I don’t really care for most
superhero comics. Far too many of my comics are related to
gaming (Knights of the Dinner Table and **** Tower). I also
appreciate the occasional Vertigo title, such as Transmetropolitan
and Sandman. For martial art genre books, the only ones I can
really tolerate are Usagi Yojimbo and Way of the Rat (and Way
of the Rat is pushing it sometimes). I also enjoy Girl Genius and
anything that Phil Foglio has done as well as the books that
Johnen Vasquez has done (Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, Squee!–
my personal favorite, and I feel Sick).

Unlike Mr. Novice, I live in a rural area and have trouble getting
a lot of the independant books, although I picked up a good one
in Chicago called “My Fighting Technique is Unstoppable.” It’s
way too much fun and has made the rounds at my kwoon.

I used to read the x-men back in the mid-eighties before the
“Fall of the Mutants” happened. I happened to read a friend’s
copy of a recent one (with the Alpha Flight guy and exploding
kid). It was pretty much back to old form. I was impressed. OTOH,
I’m still not going to start reading it again.

marshdrifter:

www.mftisu.com

Get your War on!

I dig comics…

Even had a comic strip running in the back pages of Kungfu-Qigong Magazine for like 3-4 years… Tiger’s Tale
. . . for any of you long time readers…

Attepts to develop it as an online cartoon have been long & slow going… but Yeah I’m a reader for sure… we’ve even chatted about it here

Way of the Rat is pretty good in terms of Hong Kong style fun… Far better than Vertigo’s Fight for tomorrow or Marvel’s new Master of Kung-Fu… But for a real kungfu Comic treat … find Ultimate Marvel Teamup #15 &16… where Spiderman meets Shang Chi, Master of Kungfu for the first time… again. Great art & fight choreography.

New X-Men is where it’s at for me… very edgy almost Post-superhero… resembling the Movie more than the superhero genre…Written by Grant Morrison of Animal Man, Doom Patrol & The Invisibles, he also writesTHE FILTH…for the not so squemish..

Haven’t been enjoying Uncanny X-men though… but Ultimate X-men is kind of fun…

Other titles of note…
100 bullets:
Vertigo’s crime noir meet’s spys…

Wildcats V3.0:
Post superhero’s rated R.

JLA:
100% superhero’s, Superfriends for the 21st century.

The Ultimates:
Remember the Avengers? here’s the wide screen version…

Hellboy:
Indiana Jones meet Cathullu…GREAT ART.

Lucifer:
Vertigo’s most successful spinoff from The SANDMAN.

there’s ALOT of fresh new stuff out there. Comic Publishing is currently undergoing a new breath of vitality what with the recent successes of Spiderman and the growing interest in The HULK , Daredevil & the upcomming X-men sequel…

I suggest any of you that have stopped reading comics drop by your local comic shop & have a look around. You might find something worth reading…

Re: I dig comics…

Originally posted by Design Sifu

I suggest any of you that have stopped reading comics drop by your local comic shop & have a look around. You might find something worth reading…

Hey that’s me!

I have a hard time going back into Comic shops. It's pretty hard to jump into the middle of a story, so I don't know what to get. 

Great post DS, lost of good links.

CSN: I can’t get that link to work.

DS: I actually like “Fighting for Tomorrow” but not really as a
martial art book. I think the martial art aspect is really
unimportant to the, imo, relatively interesting character
development going on. Good pathos. OTOH, I can’t stand the
new Master of Kung Fu.

What is post-superhero?

I felt the x-men movie followed the feeling of the books pretty
well, at least when I read it.

As for Lucifer, I never really cared for any of the Sandman spinoffs.
The Dreaming had some excellent potential and good individual
issues, but the overall series had problems. I did read the Lucifer
mini-series and didn’t like how it was treating the character.

QD: A good way to go is start up on some limited run mini-series
sort of things. Or graphic novels. I’m working on the backlog for
Usagi Yojimbo. Also, talk to other people and, if possible, borrow
their comics. A friend is getting me hooked on the Scud books in
this way. What can I say, I like Drywall. :slight_smile:

Marshdrifter:

and no wonder! I left out the ‘n’

http://www.mnftiu.com

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
http://www.mnftiu.com

Rock on! If they only had a Circulatory System Mother****er
t-shirt.

Thanks!

My favorite of all time are the old “Shang Chi, Master of Kung Fu” books.

I have been collecting that series, and I have about 40-50 of the mags so far. Not a single issue has disappointed me.

However, Marvel Team Up featured a very juvenile Shang Chi as a restaurant coolie. That was NOT COOL.

Any comic book fans here??

Is the Pope a Catholic? (wait, don’t answer that :smiley: …)

I like these:

F. Miller: “Sin City”
A. Spiegelman: “Maus”
B. Watterson: “Calvin & Hobbes”
J. Smith: “Bone”
A. Moore: “Watchmen”
N. Gaiman: “Sandman”
G. Ennis: “Preacher”

… and more

Get you war on… YEAH!!!

Quiet man: F.A.B.J.A.N.G. right on…

Couldn’t get into “Sin City” myself… TOOO MUCH NOIR I suppose, His 300 rocked though… BUT Dark Knight Strikes Agian Sucked @$$… what a waste.

Tragicly I’ve yet to read “Maus”… I know I know, :o … it’s ne of books I just must buy when I got the extra bucks & a week off to read it…

Have you ever checked out Joe Sacco? Amazing journalist comics… Palistine is a must read these days. First person narritive of his real life adventures there. No proposed answers or political stance… just straight up acounts of his days nights with the locals…

I Miss “Calvin & Hobbes”… newspaper strips seem soo thin now with out them.

Never got into “Bone” either… read the spin off series ROSE with art by the AMAZING C.Vess.

What’s there to say about “Watchmen” that hasen’t been said before… If you’re into Alan Moore’s work you should REALLY check out his ABC line of comics…
America’s Best Comics is a standard setter, I’m shocked I didn’t mention them in my eariler post…

  • [b]Promethia:[/b] Beyond WonderWoman... it's the ultimate Meta Magical Mystery Tour in comic form... the ART has been perfect since the very first issue. Probably the only successful C-cup superheroin... or as Moore terms them ScienceHero. Magic, Myths, Monsters & a New York City where the Cops fly around in Flying saucers...
  • [b]Tom STRONG:[/b] This is superman without the super... Probably the most accessable comic out there these days. Great for youngsters and yet smart enough for us older kids...
  • [b]Top Ten:[/b] While the series is no longer running it's a mind blower... Hill street Blues meets every super hero universe. Neopolis is the city where EVERYONE has Superpowers... Imagine what the Police must deal with...
  • [b]League of Extra Ordinary Gentelmen:[/b] The Heros of the Victorian Age saving the world from Victorian evils.... Captian Nemo, Alan Quartermain, Dr. Jeckle (& Mr. Hyde), The Invisible Man, and Mina (Dracula's Ex) unite to Save the Brittish Empire... Long may she reign...
All of these series are regularly collected in hard and soft cover Books. AND SOOOO worth it...

Of course then there’s From HELL the comic that inspired the recient movie (And by far scarier)

“Sandman” was great for it’s time… and yeah while the Dreaming had some high points it ultimately failed IMO…
Still, I think Lucifer is the most successful spinoff to date
“Preacher” was another great read… though I have to say that G.Ennis seems to have lost his touch and hasn’t really come out with anything I’ll read.
Ocassionally flip through his PUNISHER series just to see how creative he gets in Killing Mobsters… but beyond that I won’t spend $$ on it…

Marvel Team Up featured a very juvenile Shang Chi as a restaurant coolie. That was NOT COOL.

I can totally see what you mean. The Whole ULTIMATE LINE of Marvel comics is a sort of revisionist treatment. So oldskool fans may tend to be put off… Still you gotta admit there was some excellent Kung-fu translation in the art. Something that doen’t happen very often… anyone remember the Black & White Kabuki comics?

What is post-superhero?

well if you’ve read WATCHMEN you know of the whole deconstrucion of the superhero genre… which lead to comics’ “Darkage” that whole Mid '80’s early '90’s period.
Since then “superhero’s” have made their comeback to a much more classic form, bright colors crazy concepts etc…

Post Superhero to me are those comics that, while are still, essentially superhero books have matured a bit beyond the “kid stuff” the Spandex has either been hung-up or become secondary to the charactors who may even question the reasons behind wareing it.
The stories are written more for those who grew up with comics than for the kid. Though I’m sure there are plenty of younger readers who’ll find it cool. Perhaps they’re more violent or cynical in their approch.
WILDSTORM’s
Wildcats & The AUTHORITY May be good examples of this… though I would Put New X-Men & STARMAN in the mix as well…

Jeeze… talk about GEEK-FU!!:rolleyes: :eek: :rolleyes:

PS: Qi dup…what where you into reading when you split? Perhaps I could make a recomendation…

Wow, you guys are hardcore!!!

The comics I used to collect were pretty basic. I liked

Uncanny X-Men (I love the artest that used to do that comic! I can’t remember his name but I remember he gave everyone sharp nuckles and ponty noses, sort of manga like),

Gen: 13 (No comment.)

Spider-man (Before all the freaky scarlet spider stuff)

Dead Pool

and a few other. Those were the ones I read every month. I’m open to all kinds of idea, just so long as it doesn’t have to much offensive language or gore.

I would deffinatly barrow from my friends but I don’t think any of them are into comics, at least not anymore. I’ll try to stop by to one of the shops and look around.

You guys are awsome!

Design Sifu - no, not familiar with Sacco, but I’ll look him up. And you really should check “Bone” out - you won’t regret it.

You guys are awsome!

That’s a moot question. Mostly I get “You’re soo geeky!”, or “When will you grow up?” :smiley:

But you shouldn’t dismiss superhero comics. Surely, they are often immature and stupid, but every once in a while you come across “DKR”, “Red Rain”, “Death in the Family” (all Batman), Spiderman’s black costume issues (they rock!), Frank Miller’s version of Daredevil… however, if you like your superheroes with a twist (I know I do :slight_smile: ), try Sam Kieth’s “The Maxx”.

quiet man -

Seeing as you’re in Croatia, perhaps the first Joe Sacco you should read is Safe Area Goradzje (probably misspelled)

It’s spelled “Gorazhde” (it’s a town in Bosnia and Herzegovina). Thanx for the tip, CSN! :wink:

Originally posted by quiet man
But you shouldn’t dismiss superhero comics.

Ok, I enjoyed the Maxx, I’ll admit. But my beef tends to be with
the way these things are present. There’s a problem with plots
within an unending series. These are often the same problems
that soap operas have. With each successive story arc, you need
to make the next one “better.” The challenges must be tougher,
the bad guys badder, &c. After a point, you end up with the
extreme situation where the authors clearly hadn’ t thought it
through and can’t see a way out for the good guy, so they have
to do a cop-out ending (e.g. Spiderman’s “Maximum Carnage”).
Obviously, at this point, they realize they can’t do this sort of
thing anymore, so they start introducing weird plot twists based
on some form of revised character history. Then new writers show
up and want to change the character in some way. I’m normally
ok with this, but when you stick it in the same title instead of
doing a limited run arc, the inconsistancy makes the book lose
appeal.

There are some good superhero titles out there, but they tend
to be one shot deals (e.g. “DKR”) or limited run things.

Qi Dup: A thing you might want to try is to talk to the guy at the
store. They should be able to point out a series of the type you’re
looking for and could possibly even suggest a good starting point
(warning: this could be a compiled volume or graphic novel).
Altnerately, you could do what I do and look at the various books.
If you see one that strikes your fancy, buy it. If it sucks, don’t
buy it again. If it’s merely ok, but doesn’t really do anything for
you, buy the next one. If you don’t absolutely love it by the third
issue, stop buying it.

spidey as a kid. now, violent stuff.

Comics these days…

Marvel’s getting really smart…
check out their Free online comics.
an excellent way to get people interested in “reading.”

Qi dup:
I think you’re thinking about Joe Madura. If you like the Style, Uncanny X-men now features art by “international ((Manga)) superstar Kia Asamiya! Plus: what is Juggernaut’s dark secret?”

However if you want an edger read, I can’t recomend NEW X-MEN enough…

Spiderman:
The comic is making fair use of the attention granted by the movie’s success. There’s a LARGE variety of comics being published featuring the charactor.
With writers Like Kevin (DOGMA, CLERKS, CHASING AMY) SMITH, and J. Michael [i](Babylon 5) Straczynski there’s a concerted effort to make the series much more accessable…Plus there are plenty of fresh graphic novels available to remind reader what was so good about the comic. Consider the clone saga a thing of the past…I hope.:wink:

Also… I believe the writter of DEADPOOL is now writting JLA…

BONE… Yeah I just wish I could borrow a bunch froma a friend or something. I fear if I start reading it I’ll end up seeking to complete the “collection” which will be P R I C E Y… :confused:

As far as those cassic Batmans and Daredevils… Check out some of the New Daredevil stuff… Kevin Smith wrote an Amazing Daredevil story that’s now in Tradepaperback from… a modern classic.

BATMAN was good about a year.5 ago… some of that stuff should be collected by now… Particularly the DETECTIVE comics of that time… if you’re into a back issue hunt.

Safe are “Gorazhde”:
was my intro to Joe Sacco… It’s not really kid stuff… some times heavy, but SOOO worth the read, just to see what comics are capable of…

Marshdrifter said:
These are often the same problems
that soap operas have. With each successive story arc, you need
to make the next one “better.” The challenges must be tougher,
the bad guys badder, &c. After a point, you end up with the
extreme situation where the authors clearly hadn’ t thought it
through

I tend to agree… and have since begun following writters more than titles, though I can’t help but check up on a much beloved charactor occasionally. However I think comic editors have learned quite a bit since then and writters tend to now be hired to work on “extended” story archs rather than just given a title to write indefinately. This may be a result of the tendancy to “collect” such story arches into Graphic novels. So the result is a greater sence of “completion” with-in various periods in the charactor’s life… when it works it works very well. When it doesn’t you can drop the title and chack it out again later when a new creative team has taken over…

The internet is a wonderful way of shopping for comics… Getting an idea of what’s out & what’s comming out. As well as finding some backstory on the creators. A comic shop owner will usually be more than happy to make some recomendations as well…

$10-12 bucks can go along way towards a weekend of comic reading. What with the holidaze comming wouldn’t it be nice to be a kid again even for 20 minutes…

I’ve reciently discovered the joy of passing on piles of comics I’ve culled from my collection to my girlfriend’s younger cousins (when My niece & nephew aren’t in town) which has placed this whole art form into a new light…

now, you’re homework assignment is to drop by the local comic shop and pick up something new

Comeback when you’ve finished reading it and let us know…

  • What was it?
  • Was it worth buying?
  • Will you buy it again?
  • How was the story? Art? presentation?
:p

The most serious problem with superhero comics (or superhero anything for that matter) is that the underlying theme is always going to be the same: “Wouldn’t it be really cool if I could kick so much ass?!!” There may be other themes on top of that, or counter themes, or commentary on that theme, or what have you, but the power trip idea is always going to be there in some shape or form - it’s part and parcel of the notion of a superhero, and why some authors started exploring the fascistic overtones of that notion, most notably Alan Moore in Miracleman and Watchmen. It’s also why those two books, and others like them (The Dark Knight Returns, Bratpack, etc.) are sometimes called ‘The Last Word on Superheroes.’ And why most of the really good work (IMO) in comics is happening in other genres, like Joe Sacco’s journalism, many folks’ Raymond Carvery slice of life drama, From Hell’s combination of socio-political commentary and gothic horror, Jim Woodring’s surrealism, etc..

In other words, I think about all that can be said about superheroes has been said, and from now on, the best we can hope for is talented riffs on old ideas. And only ABC seems really interested in that kind of retro-fun approach. Everyone else is doing ‘gritty’ ‘realistic’ stuff that’s not really either. It’s just the same old power fantasies with more graphic violence and sex.

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Well, Paul Chadwick’s “Concrete” seems to have an original angle on the tragic super hero idea, too. I like that one a lot.