sorry ryu, i missed the disclaimer, eek!
Umm, crowded bar, lots of friends…it takes a real man to want to fight on the ground there.
It takes a real smart man not to.
ground fighting
This guys an idiot for going to the ground right away.
He may have some good technical skills but he obviously has very little idea when he should apply them. He should have stayed standing and used whatever Thai skills he had
Plus once a guy starts biting then all bets are off, hit the buy in the neck and stomp on his crotch.
You’ve really got to wonder why he went to the ground a second time! He already got clocked with a beer bottle the first time. This fool deserved a beating! Just goes to prove that people of all persuasions hold misconceptions about what they can and can’t do.
He should’ve chi blasted all four of them back then in the bar and none of this would have happened.
ease up
This guy was the only one who actually saw what happened, maybe the ground seemed like the best option, although I agree with the guy who said Judo throws would be good, and also that elbows and knees might be a better idea in future. Frankly I am wondering how many of you that are saying he’s an idiot would have failed miserably in the same situation, 4 way street fights are no fun especially when you’ve left your butterfly swords at home.
How’s that for a first post?
Re: ease up
Originally posted by sweaty_dog
[B]This guy was the only one who actually saw what happened, maybe the ground seemed like the best option, although I agree with the guy who said Judo throws would be good, and also that elbows and knees might be a better idea in future. Frankly I am wondering how many of you that are saying he’s an idiot would have failed miserably in the same situation, 4 way street fights are no fun especially when you’ve left your butterfly swords at home.
How’s that for a first post? [/B]
Typically ignorant and argumentative. Well done, you’ll fit in well here.
And he is an idiot. He thought the ground was where he was invincible and that may be true for the ring, but in real life he copped a bottle round the head. Then he did it again. Stupid.
yeah, whatever
I can also be pompous and self deluding, looks like that should come in handy too. Also, please explain in which way I am ignorant. Do you train with a 12 foot spear rather than butterfly swords? Am in fact talking to a forum full of prison guards and riot cops? Look, I don’t mean to say you are all just *****ing about this guy for no reason, he made some bad moves by the sound of it, but I think its pretty low to rip into someone who admits their mistakes, especially when you’re under no pressure to show that you can do better. Maybe this forum is the exception that proves the rule, but I have found that the internet is full of experts ready to criticize but unwilling to leave themselves open to criticism.
Basically I am wondering what you would do in the same situation, and more to the point, what is your experience of similar situations? I don’t mind saying I have been knocked out (briefly) in a street fight when I was STANDING with one guy and his friend punched me in the neck from behind. While I should have done a lot of things I didn’t, it is easy now to sit back and say I should have done this and that from the comfort of a computer chair. When you are drunk, outnumbered and surprised it can be a lot tougher to make the right decision. It is never easy to face multiple people no matter what some guy on Panther videos tells you, especially when they have weapons.
Does the guy mention how big his opponents were? No. Does he talk about what a great takedown he did, and the damage he did on the ground? Again, no. I am guessing that a lot of people would have talked the whole thing up to make them sound like heroes, neglecting the fact that some of their actions were kind of dumb.
Now that’s more like it!
Ignorant assuming that butterfly knives would be relevant, even to a TMA, in a situation like this.
Sure, he’s humble about it. That’s great, because he’ll hopefully learn from it.
I’ve experienced the knockout from behind thing too. I got a peice of fencing in the back of the head. That’s how I learned the lesson about always keeping a wall or similar at your back in a confrontation.
So it’s all good and he can hopefully learn. But that doesn’t stop his actions at the time from being dumb and his delusions about his art and his abilities from nearly getting him killed.
Ryu and others
Once again, text heavy but worth the read.
Guys, many seem to miss the true humbling point…it doesn’t matter if it was a mistake or not going to the ground, what matters is a different point…even casting aside the beer bottle episode in the context of multiple attackers, things were not that easy when hee was ONE on ONE with the guy under: when the guy was mounting, or trying to choke, he was severely hurt by a guy gone wild who BIT him and shook violently enough to slam his knees. He got bit to blood and the guy couldn’t maintain his choke, he got bit to blood and had to stop his clinch and back off. He was mouting, yet this wasn’t the total control position my ears get full of when we speak about good grapplers ™. This has nothing to do with the way the multiple attacker scenario went, in that case it was a one on one issue: grappling wasn’t as safe as some people claim even against just one attacker. It’s strange that this part didn’t strike you more than the beer bottle thingie.
I always hear things like “a good grappler ™ won’t get bitten, or even if he is, he can still choke the guy until submission” or “a good grappler ™ has the control when on the mount and can prevent you from harming him severely”.
The guy just realized IT IS NOT TRUE. There’s always a risk…whether you’re a good grappler or not. NOTHING brings you total control and security, NOTHING. It’s something to fight (even a rough fight) in ring matches, and it’s a whole other thing to fight someone gone wild.
Just like ritual combat in animals are much different from survival fights. Fighting an animal that feels threatened for its life is always dangerous…and humans are animals.
I’m going to maake a thread about it.
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This story is just too perfect. A guy with great MMA skills that does everything wrong a MMA guy could. Ideal bait. 
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<i>He was mouting, yet this wasn’t the total control position my ears get full of when we speak about good grapplers ™. This has nothing to do with the way the multiple attacker scenario went, in that case it was a one on one issue: grappling wasn’t as safe as some people claim even against just one attacker. It’s strange that this part didn’t strike you more than the beer bottle thingie.
I always hear things like “a good grappler ™ won’t get bitten, or even if he is, he can still choke the guy until submission” or “a good grappler ™ has the control when on the mount and can prevent you from harming him severely”.
The guy just realized IT IS NOT TRUE. There’s always a risk…whether you’re a good grappler or not. NOTHING brings you total control and security, NOTHING. It’s something to fight (even a rough fight) in ring matches, and it’s a whole other thing to fight someone gone wild.</i>
Actually a good grappler generally DOES have the control when in a mount, and your chances of hurting him are far lower than his of hurting you. For what it’s worth, pretty much anyone with half a brain is in a good position to do damage when they are sitting on your chest, since they can wind up a punch, use submissions, headbutt, elbow down, whatever. I think it’s silly to say a good grappler is helpless on the street because one guy got hit from behind with a beer bottle and then scraped his knees and got chewed a bit. How is that being “hurt severely”? It sounds like most of the damage is from the guy with the beer bottle, not from the guys who were taken down and mounted. If I were fighting for my life on concrete I would consider myself very lucky if I got away with a bite or two and some bruised knees.
On the other hand, people that talk about absolutes like “a Grappler won’t get bitten,” or “the mount is the ultimate position, you can’t be hurt there” are just as bad as the kung fu guys that say “All you need in Tai Chi is the form, all the martial movements are in that,” or “Earle Montaigue can make a man drop dead by pinching his ear (but only between 9am and lunchtime on a Wednesday).” There are always idiots that think what they do is the ultimate and everyone else is wrong or stupid. No one takes people like that seriously.
Ryu..its called reality and odds… what, do you think you are going to win everytime? Why bother with chockes and mounting. Just step all over the guy, who cares if you succeed at every move. Searching for more “reality based” systems? Man, you already do that..anymore reality and it is just constant sparring. Besides, you cannot duplicate malicious intent in the dojo…unless you let your friends bite you!
Must I keep telling people that this WASN’T me :mad:
This is someone else’s experience I found on Dimitri’s site.
If I was in the situation I wouldn’t use MA at all… I’d try to OC someone’s face, break a beer bottle over a head first, and get the hell out of there. 
Ryu
See? The legendary good grappler ™ again…just grand…he can do anything, safely, 100% security all the time…
reread his story, how he mentions his 22 stiches, his knees slaming on the floor and the pain of the bites…it makes the beer bottle episode much lighter…
I guess, in that paradigm, the guy was not a good grappler, cause if he had been one, al of this would have gone like butter :rolleyes:
Ryu, sorry to hear about the knees. Hope the stitches leave a manly scar that’ll turn the girls on. Better luck next time my friend.
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Very funny, Rogue.
Bastids! This story isn’t about me! LMAO!!
Ryu
Ryu-
You really need to quit going out, getting drunk & starting fights.
Growup & do something constructive(like writing books).
Badger
Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
See? The legendary good grappler ™ again…just grand…he can do anything, safely, 100% security all the time…
Of course, the good grappler® would never lose a street fight. God forbid!! Don’t you know? The good grappler® 's mear presence sends people into a hypnotic trance that keeps them sedate enough for the good grappler® to finish them in no time.
Its been proven for a million years now that the good grappler® started life on this planet, gave us our laws and ethics. And, founded the mormons. Only the great good grappler® would think of letting us guys have multiple wives. He is after all a god.
I know, I know, why don’t we hear about the good grappler® in the bible? Because in the old latin it was pronouced Bonus luchem®.
In the end the good grappler® could never be beaten because even if he tapped out , the sound would cancel itself out and teleport itself as a blow to the guys nose.
Not to mention that in a group he becomes invisible and all you see is a guy struggling with himself on the floor.
The 2002 good grappler® comes fully equipt with a GPS, front and rear radar, ionic forceshield, automatic groin cupholder and california emission .
Crimson Pheonix - Mr. Dog went out of his way to mention ‘on the other hand’ that the Good Grappler ™ isn’t invulnerable. All he’s saying is that someone in a dominant position is much more able to attack and defend than the person he is dominating. This should be fairly straight-forward.
Everyone else - Food for thought: Maybe he took the guy to the ground because that’s what he trains most often to do.
As an aside, please go see a doctor if you take a blow to the head like this guy does.