Hello Tainan,
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tainan Mantis
Before I read your reply my impression is that this is written from a Liang Hsuehsiang lineage such as Meihua or Taiji PM.
-Yes it appears that way.
I was thinking that some one of that school learned the form and rewrote it in their style of manuscripts.
here is why:
The character Diao that we usually use in 7* is here replace with pluck(tsai) in every single case.
-Cai/Tsai is also a very common term in mainland Qixing Pu and Diao is not really too common.
In the third road is the technique called riding the horse double “call”
-We aslo have this name for the same movement but in this form it is listed in the manuscript as ‘Shun Shou Qian Yang’ (in fact in full it reads, leading goat to the rear). But we do have Shuang Jiao.
This is part of the 12 Character formula of Liang Hsuehsiang lineage:
The 4 characters together are Lai Jiao Hsun Song/come, call , follow, send.
-Though this is not part of our 12 character formula we certainly have this principle.
I checked through my Quan Pu properly and although the form is similar, the terminology is in fact a lot more different than I initially stated. However, basically the same movements are covered (minus a few, which make this form look quite modified).
These two aspects are what I would expect to see in Liang Hsuehsiang lineage.
-I will check where we usually use the term Double Call/Shout and get back to you. I do know that Cha Chui was definitely never part of meihua and where it was adopted was changed to fit the system, therefore the terminology matches their Pu, as you guessed.
Incidentally, there are many Meihua/Taijimeihua people in China who dont even regard this form as Tanglang!
Most of everything else seems to be terms that are common among Shandong 7* and the Liang Hsuehsiang lineages.
-Agreed. One thing though, this Quan Pu is very sparse and has very little detail therefore is quite short compared to my version.
So this form follows mine very closely, but like yours no Hurricane kick, otherwise the fourth road seems to be exactly like mine, including the figure 10 kick and heart piercing kick.
-There is another kick in the last route though in ours its not really a figure ten kick, though it is a heel kick with opposite hand punch that comes out of a front foot cross step (comes after White Crane Flashes Wing at start of 4th route, you can see the difference in terminology very clearly with their name for this kick).
So my question would be…
In 7* you have seen does tsai/pluck replace diao?
In many cases yes.
Is Jiao/call part of many 7*manuscripts or your mantis theory?
Also yes.
If the answer to the above questions is “no” then I think some Meihua people learned this form and rewrote the manuscript in their own style.
The answers are yes but I still tend to agree that this was rewritten in a different style.
I have gone in almost in a circle on this one, ha ha…
hope this helped.
B.T