http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UMccyOHP6iE
This may apply in open declared warfare but legally the law is on your side if you block/dodge incoming, then devastate. 
The law is generally on your side if you respond proportionately to a threat you believe to be real :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Andy Miles;1153995]Hitting first has lots of advantages. Grandmaster Wei Xiao Tang suggested hitting first and hard in his book, “Practical Praying Mantis”.[/QUOTE]
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GM Wei Xiao Tang always said, “When you serve hot tea, you throw hot tea at your opponent’s face, and then beat him up.”
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GM Chang Tung Sheng always said, “When you shake your opponent’s hand, drop your upper arm to break his elbow, and then beat him up.”
The TCMA world is dark and dirty. Law? What law? It’s only kill or to be killed. You may not have intention to kill a tiger, but that tiger does have intention to eat you alive.
my first teacher devoted much time to this…
DISAGREE,
Sorry to be shouting but there are a number of problems with this whole strike first philosophy as I see it.
If you hit this person while they are still talking, how in the hell do you know it would ever have escalated to the point of physical violence before a blow was ever thrown?
Morally, do you have right to injure someone (perhaps badly) who was never an actual threat?
Legally, (IMHO) I would think that if you strike first the chances are you are going to end up being arrested, persecuted, and possibly sued. And if youve received any sort of martial arts training chances are the judge/jury are going to come down twice as hard.
But, as has already pointed out, if you can show that you acted in a defensive manner the law is going to be on your side.
On further thought it occurs to me that it needs to be said; striking first as advocated is the action of either a bully or a coward!
Greetings,
I saw a demo of this kind of approach done by Ronald Duncan. It is good stuff.
In terms of hitting first, elders have the right to hit first. They can’t afford otherwise.
mickey
What about practicing keeping a save distance away from a individual first. Sure there are circumstances were things escalate real fast but most fights happen over peeing contest. Be the bigger man and women walk away are just keep enough distance were hands dont have to be laid on one another. If you want to fight some one how ever be first.
A devious person is subject to deviate. Deceit and trickery is your friend. If you strike someone from ambush or by surprise, you can stun him for a bit. Even a large person. If you are squared off with him he will not allow this and you may get the worst of the fight. Take any and all advantage of him when you can. There are uncountable ways in which to misdirect his attention for long enough to attack him.
Violence has it’s place in life. When all else fails, when reason is pushed aside, violence will decide the outcome of any conflict. Usually, the one that is in possession of the most violence will win.
Disagree,
I agree with what Biker said above.
Plus with my experience I think many people have mental blocks to initiating violence. A lot can go wrong with a punch, you might end up not hurting them at all but have just escalated the situation.
However I can’t fault a lot of what the guy said in the video, its a good tactic if you know you MUST fight.
Sucker Punch < Skill.
Hitting someone over words denotes a simple mindedness.
Verbal threats do NOT equal physical threats.
If you intend to hit first and hit hard, might as well sneak up behind your enemy and club him with a hammer!
its not yes or no across the board. its yes when you can be sure, no when you cant. i have been in verbal spars knowing that it is escelating to a physical situation simply based on history with the individual and pre knowledge of what they are up to.
are we talking a total stranger every time? someone with history? an ex con with a violent history or a librarian? many times there can be factors involved that will determine whether striking first and immediately is a good, bad, safe or dangerous move.
under the right circumstances. certainly, strike first.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1154067]its not yes or no across the board. its yes when you can be sure, no when you cant. i have been in verbal spars knowing that it is escelating to a physical situation simply based on history with the individual and pre knowledge of what they are up to. [/QUOTE]
Yes, not always, but sometimes.
On a side not related to the video- Good luck expecting that a gun will be held against your head so that you have the ability to grab it.
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1154070] Good luck expecting that a gun will be held against your head so that you have the ability to grab it.[/QUOTE]
huh?
Only kidding.
I remember an older documentary on Shaolin and in it Shi Suxi had stated one should be so good at their martial arts they never have to use them. I agree. The only time I fight is for money, in a ring or cage and governed by a state athletic commission.
Now there are plenty of “what if’s” we could debate about all week but the truth is, don’t associate with shady people, don’t hang out at places where trouble could start quickly (ie. bars/clubs/parties), keep at least 6-9 feet distance between you and a stranger, pay attention to your surroundings, if you feel threatened walk away and keep an eye on the potential threat. There are other factors but this is literally day 1 self preservation information.
This discussion should not be only for whether you should do to your opponent or not. It should include whether you should assume that your opponent will not do to you. You may not have intention to kill a tiger, but that tiger does have intention to eat you alive. It’s always good to be alert.
To be kind to your enemy is to be cruel to yourself. One guy challenged me for a match. After I told him that I accepted his challenged, I jumped in, attacked, and took him down. He got back up and left. That was the last time I had even seen him.
If people know that you don’t fight fair, they will be unlikely to challenge you. This work well in challenge matches. Not sure it should be applied in our daily life though.
“Are you ready? Are you ready? Let get on then …” only happen in the cage fight.
you would only fight if there’s no other recourse. skill alone cannot ensure victory, especially when you’re facing down someone much larger than yourself. and let’s face it. most troublemakers won’t start something with you unless they feel they have an advantage (ie. size, strength, numbers, weapons, etc)
this is where tactics & strategy comes in.
a lot a guys confuse self defense and fighting (mano y mano). in self defense, the attacker doesn’t care about fairness and who’s tougher.
do you look for trouble, or does trouble find you?
i think its both personally. the last fight i got into i was simply walking down the street to the store in my own neighborhood. i just so happened to walk by a house with several people drinking outside and someone wanted to be a tough guy and hassle me and my buddy. not the best neighborhood…but then if everyone could just move out of the bad areas in a city…there wouldnt be any. but that is not reality.
you cannot always avoid everything. i understand the whole turn the other cheek deal, but thats not me. i am not what you could call a ‘compassionate warrior’ that is a very high standard that i do not try to hold myself to. respect to those that do. i thought about it for a minute in my 20s…